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Surprisingly, new Gallery creation is working now. No idea why, but I just tried it in trying to solve the “can’t edit” problem of a later topic and now I get the pop-out and can add images. So this one is resolved. And no idea how…!

I have attempted a reply as I am having the same issue. But it was a pretty long one so this is a test to see if any reply is visible. When I tried to repost the earlier put reply I was told it was a duplicate. So why can’t I see it, could this be a manifestation of some deeper problem that just happened to surface while editing MaxGalleria pages???

Gawd-dang, the topic is bobbing about in a widely nuanced ocean of “relevant aspects”. Yet again!!!

Thanks for your not-so-caustic explanation cata (may I call you that?).

So this moves the OP to “pet peeve” status. I think, in the manual download plugin, we have an appropriate answer to an issue of such status. I will leave it to others to explore if such a solution to an undoubtedly widely shared pet peeve (check those Google results) is such a thing that merits further attention. Thank you.

It may be that I am not understanding something clearly. I understand and agree with pretty well everything said prior. The REASON I was posting here in the first place was because I believed this was the appropriate place to request core features / approved core plugins (or whatever the politics / realities are of saying “you need this” to a typical WP user that just wants to do the job) to resolve a latent intransigent problem with the WP product.

I am suggesting this persistent admin messaging practice practice is abuse. I don’t care exactly what the prior / ongoing relationship of the abuser is with me or anyone, they simply shouldn’t be able to partially cripple the core WP product by indefinitely taking screen space off a user.

As it happens, I think the manual toggle plugin is pretty useful as it means I can keep notices I am interested in doing something about later, but not now (rather than dismissing then forgetting them), and deal with any of these bs non-dismissable ones in a “keep them out of my way” kinda way. It is pretty neat really. Yet the author hasn’t even got the thing listed as a discoverable official plugin, for some reason I have not attempted to find out about and which is irrelevant to the core q here anyway.

So, is there any appetite to deal with in some credible way the realities that any supplier of themes or plugins has the capacity to leave admin messages up indefinitely? How might that happen? Allowing messages to be put up without a dismiss button is the true failing here, and that is a WP core issue. All I don’t know for sure is if this is where to ask the q that a fellow caring and sharing human being will ensure it gets “in the list”. Thank you.

Well here’s a surprise. I did ask the q and got told the “answer” is here: https://www.proteusthemes.com/help/remove-license-expired-nag-notice/

This is “interesting but not really relevant” as I am suggesting the question should not ever be asked in the first place. But isn’t it fascinating that this particular supplier is welded on to their abuse of WP protocols they have the following solutions, none of which entail removing the abuse in the first place:

1) Pay, and boy do they go on about that. Their case almost sounds reasonable, until you know one tiddly little extra fact – the product came with “life of product” free upgrades; ie pre-paid. So this is scaremongering to get people to pay and that is why it is really there, nothing to do with anything else and certainly any finger waggling from me won’t fix it as obviously, it is working!

2) Go add some code to one of the inner workings of your theme files. So, how does that go when those (free!) upgrades? Do it again, most likely. And how does your typical WP theme purchaser deal with that? Unhappily, if at all.

3) Manually install this plugin (Couldn’t find it searching in WP plugins): https://github.com/tommcfarlin/toggle-admin-notices so I did – Wow, it works!!!

OK, so this is a credible user friendly solution of a sort. Bit of a sledgehammer approach where I would rather be able to force notices to be hidden by radio buttons next to them or something like that. But hey, if nobody cares enough to put this up to get control back for long-suffering users I have an answer for me.

It is still not OK to have such blatant abuse continue in an ongoing way and never going to be OK to use a loophole that it is a commercial product so should be allowed to flagrantly breach the rules with no pathway to deal with it in a community-caring way….

That was supposed to be a pretty please with icing on top, but seems I couldn’t pull it off!

Further to my comment – a standard install comes with a bs plugin to give quotes from “Hello Dolly”. Boy if there was ever a case of misguided priorities…! But hey, creators are allowed to have their quirks too, I get that.

It was cute when WP started, but having 30% of a ginormous community means its time to get serious and pack some more useful and relevant stuff in there. And do the retrofit thing. Please. You know you want to…

OK, OK – keep the quirkiness. But fix the security crater too…. icing
Please

Perhaps the answer to Marcelo’s very valid points is to have all new installs accompanied by the most appropriate security plug-ins, and use the admin update messaging system to check and suggest any users without them add them. This is at least going a long way to solve the dual problem of vulnerability consequences and resource over-taxing Marcelo identifies. I suspect it is doable, but does there exist any appetite to fix up this very boring but major potential positive impact stuff?

Personally I use Jetpack, which is a bit of a struggle to get your head around the subtleties at first (not sure I’ve quite got there) but it seems to work well and some of their upsells actually look useful (haven’t bought any yet). This comes from someone just cruising above “average informed gumby” level, but wouldn’t go for the “power user” tag just yet, but occasionally get mistaken for one! But I agree, it is a very worthwhile topic for some credible effort. Especially that 10% jobbie that gets 90% of the benefit – ie the “strongly recommended plugins” method – can it happen?

To clarify, many (most!) free plugins and themes have paid options. If you buy one, as I did, that does not entitle the provider to abuse WP’s conditions. But they do. Read a few from here: https://www.google.com.au/search?q=wordpress+admin+messages+abuse

The concept that this is a support q is pretty far out. Oh, or maybe didn’t actually read / understand the request? It is admittedly not the biggest issue going, but an entirely predictable behaviour that the whole premise WP is founded on would put the control for such misbehaviour back in the user’s hands, which it isn’t as clearly it requires honorable behaviour.

Anyone not displaying good faith compliance is going to inconvenience hundreds, or in the case of the particular group I have highlighted, tens of thousands as they have actually changed their business model to go on an aggressive sales drives. They even say somewhere I read “because we can”. Ethics of admin post messages is a very small matter to them. If I asked I doubt they would fix it. The point is, WP core should be able to deal with bs behaviours when we see them.

I am losing 31mm of a 330mm high screen, so nearly 10%. What if another one does it? One did, but that was a plugin I could replace with a different one. Themes are not so easy to swap out, and they know it! Hence the arrogance of the sales drive as I don’t doubt some will pay just to get their screen space back! It has been going on for some months now, and finally I think it is time to delete the capacity to abuse the rules, as opposed to just trying to belt this particular one back into line.

Anyone care to make an intelligent response to the core subject matter? Thank you.

well said Mick!

After some considerable stuffing around I have concluded this can’t be fixed. However, in terms of website functionality, it is not really a problem. So I will just have to get over that there is some combination of phantom and duplicate images as it doesn’t really matter. Having a desire for the admin to be “tidy” is just going to have to be let go of for this issue.

I don’t know if I am “special” here, due to something else I have unwittingly done, but disabling all other plugins didn’t get better behaviour so I am over it. I am just putting this feedback up to suggest anyone else observing this behaviour to save yourself the bother of beating yourself up trying to solve it. But if you do push through to find an answer, please do add it to this topic; I will do the same if I can’t resist having another crack at it! Thank you.

PS: Just tried adding an image from current month and, as expected, 2 images display but no duplicate files in File Manager, yet the re-added file does get a duplicate entry in Media Library. This is the case you described where to delete one of these would definitely trash the other one!

Thank you for that great explanation Alan, but disappointingly when I checked it out the evidence didn’t match it! Unless it is something special about me, this is easy to duplicate, which I just did on a Samsung Note 4 in case it was about the PC I was using.

If I add an image from an earlier month a full duplicate copy is created including all the 100×100 etc copies. If I re-add the same image again I get another set, this time with -1 after the filename. Repeat and it’s -2. CPanel File manager is the definitive proof, all very easy to see in there, as well as the obvious duplicates in Media Library.

The plugin you mentioned doesn’t seem to be present. Mind you the MaxGalleria folder manager is there and doesn’t show the true folders, something I haven’t tried to sort out what is going on for.

Undoubtedly these issues and my other post here are related in some way, but it remains elusive – sure hope it isn’t a WP update or something like that! Your site login is still valid if you are curious to have a closer look. Thank you.