Trevor Green

Glad it worked out for you. I see there are some 500+ installs of this now, maybe I need to get interested in supporting it :).

I don’t think I can fix the fundamental flaw with WordPress where there are no many to one relationships with media.

Get a list of pdfs from a different parent.
* [pdfmenu post_parent=”1″]

So that is from one of my files. You should be able to use that shortcode to force a page to use the pdf files from another page. You just have to have a page where you upload them and reference that from other pages.

I know this was an old question. www.remarpro.com still doesn’t have a feature to email these so I have to check them manually and I currently make 0 money off this plugin directly or indirectly. I hope it is working for you and if I resume development I’ll think about how this feature might be non obvious.

I don’t believe there is an explicit function for that. How would you like that to work?

I suppose in order to not disturb the default functionality I would need an extra option to hide it when there are no attachments. I think that if you have no title it probably doesn’t show anything. I assuming that if you do have one that it shows the title and no documents.

Standard query parameters are used.

‘orderby’ => ‘date’,
‘order’ => ‘ASC’,

So you can use anything that wordpress offers for get_posts.

I know this is delayed, by alot, I just start up development on this again. Thought I’d answer it anyway for anyone else who might visit.

Much appreciated. Let me know if you have any additional ideas that would improve the experience for you.

My pleasure, consider a donation through the donation link. I’m intending to give people a plug on my site to anyone who donates. I’m not sure if I’m doing it withing the community standard but I’m experimenting with it all the same.

I put up some various suggested levels of donations. Actually I don’t even know if they mechanism works but if you go on there and throw me a dollar that would confirm it for me. Haven’t tested it myself.

Also make note that the plugin should now output a class with the mime type in it. And as I say that I realize that I think I need to remove the / as that is probably not valid css.

Sally, please notify me if the plugin now works as expected so that I can close this thread.

The default behavior should not have changed. I will look into this. I added the ability to list all mime types but you should have to set all_types=”true” in order to have that work.

Additionally I see another issue. orderby=”title” order=”ASC” should be how you set the order. If it is working the other way that is just by accident and/or potentially poor coding on my part to not sanitize the options.

So I found it, in the update I have the widgetized version running smoothly but left out a few quotes in the new option on the shortcode. I’m posting a new version now (0.0.9.6) which should resolve the issue.

Thanks for the feedback and here is hoping the last version didn’t cause too many bumps in the road.

Just to be clear, I’m not on squarespace.com forums complaining about how they run their business. Open Source implies and comes from a place where people discuss ethics and the right and wrong of what should and show not be. That rubs me the wrong way, because once you start down the road of legally binding other people with licenses based upon your visions of ethical behavior (the gpl), you open yourself up to endless scrutiny of your own commercial activities.

I respect your desire to be done with the conversation. I’m super tired of it myself. As a person that is trying to make a living in the web space, that values the independent lifestyle, for myself and for others. I think having source code that you can base your work on provides great opportunity to participate in the market and not have to move to a regimented corporate lifestyle.

However, that is what I believe the primary benefit of source is, that it allows people who facilitate solutions to be able to modify those to meet the needs of customers. I don’t think free and open are equal concepts. Free devalues things that have value and at is core is lie, if something has value someone else paid for it even though you might have consumed it without paying. In most circumstances someone pretends to give you something for free while charging you a price for something else that also pays for the free thing.

In WordPress free means that the person receiving it is just completely devaluing your contribution if they don’t donate. I find the idea that encouraging people to devalue their own work and the work of others to be weird and not in any way a moral position to take.

I want to be convince otherwise, because I like the idea of finding the moral high ground and occupying it. So when I see people moralizing I want one of them to be without reproach so I have something to follow. And it breaks my brain when I feel like people are falling short.

To be clear, your opinion on the appropriate place to market your plugin is not necessarily wrong in my opinion. I just think that if there is a right and wrong way to do it, we need to bake the standards into core and provide hooks to encourage that it is done in the right way. Instead of having everyone do it haphazardly because it is really not supported at all.

I have a plugin that has some 1500+ downloads. And I’m considering updating it to include some more marketing for me. I want to find the “right” way to do that, and since so many others are in the same position doesn’t it make sense to put in place some physical code standards rather than just having track down the 1000 different ways people are addressing that problem and risk getting bad reviews because you picked the wrong answer.

So I’m on board that it should be brought up, I just smelled an uncivil tone which I don’t response well to. Especially when I haven’t had much sleep.

Consider the idea for a minute that maybe there should be a support status readout. So for free plugins, you could go an donate a requested amount which entitles you to some offered support. So when you go into your plugin list you can see which plugins you have support for and which you don’t with the opportunity to jump to the donation page and enable the support flag.

That way it isn’t a paid plugin but you are able to keep track of support. So when you go to update your plugins you can be clear which ones you can update with an assurance that if it breaks you have a way to request a fix from the source.

Again, you can clearly make and sell stuff yourself, but the real value is being able to get exposure to the millions of www.remarpro.com sites. So the good opportunities to support the development community are all in the hands of the core team. The farther away you push the call to action to support plugin developers, the more out of site out of mind it is.

In the long run, finding a middle ground is only going to help WordPress by keeping developers away from other cms platforms. Every developer that stays away from other solutions is another coin in the pocket of Matt Mullinweg because of the Halo affect of people signing up for and using WordPress.com. And that is biggest argument for a marketplace run by WordPress.com.

The idea that you are able to sell your work somewhere is fair, but it is sort of analogous to saying that you can sell burgers out of your home but not on a main road in your town with high traffic numbers.

You have to make your own traffic, but in a open source environment where sharing is encouraged there is an over current of equality. So when you have add new plugin as the main road to where people get things. You are directly encouraging free over paid. Which favors people with other revenue streams providing things for free which someone on the back road could have otherwise made a living providing.

So people like WPMU or WordPress.com aggregate and consume everything at the corporate level, and the underdog has to either become a large player or be satisfied with scraping their way along until the run out of will.

And along the way the large aggregation services that can just take your code and repackage it due to the gpl just keep consuming the market. So while Open and Free seem to serve the community, they actually favor the corporation rather than the underdog and/or the individual.

As for Apple banning things. There is no reason why WordPress can’t have both channels but have a marketplace by default so that same donations can unlock downloads.

“But www.remarpro.com and the WordPress Foundation (which actually holds the “brand” of WordPress)”. I heard that an I laughed. WordPress.com is the one piece that needs to be open but never will be regardless of who owns the trademark.

I get it, it just makes no sense. And I don’t believe that www.remarpro.com is not in some way geared to be anti WordPress.com competition. You can see the service offering continual expanding and the wall between what is “official” WordPress and what is not is clearly defined.

It will keep coming up when people who are giving something away for free are criticized in any way for the form of that thing.

I have no desire to be a bore. I just want to be convinced and I keep feeling like I’m being hit by internet trolls when people keep touting something open source and free as being great. A sustainable labor force is way more important to me than open coding.

I suppose I don’t care that they www.remarpro.com repo is only free. But wouldn’t it be great if there was a second paid repo we could all get on board with that was installed by default.

What is the argument against that? And how is not being in favor of that respectful of the development community. Would it harm the free portions any more than the existence of VaultPress or VideoPress?

The reason I jumped on this thread is I hate seeing someone giving something away for free having to defend the form of that thing. It’s free. There is no reasonable expectation that it meet any criteria. It if doesn’t meet the repos criteria it can be removed. If it does than they only reasonable action is respectful request that it might be different to meet the community standard.

My first response is always empathy. If I install a plugin and it throws something up on my dashboard, or anywhere and I don’t like it I at least understand why it is happening.

Implying that the person is untrustworthy. That’s just nonsense.

“Would I like it if Jetpack activated the non-connection modules without the connection? Sure.”

So there is the clear acknowledgement that the jetpack “modules” are actually discrete plugins that don’t require login.

So that’s simple, just require that they be a separate set of plugins for them to be on the repo.

The real problem here is that there are supposedly altruistic reasons for the rule set and the open source ethic, but the free content from wordpress.com is just marketing for wordpress.com and is a reduction in the opportunity of other members of the open community to service those same needs at a profit.

There is a vast difference between WordPress.com who holds the brand and is promoted by all of the .org users at almost no benefit to them.

WordPress.com can afford to fund all sorts of free plugin development in order to keep the king of the hill spot. Other contributors are not in such an enviable position.

So www.remarpro.com just serves as a vehicle to sabotage the efforts of other cms vendors and independent developers who without it would be forced to go the potentially healthier route of offering a competing product, instead of offering marketing to another .com that puts up a hard wall between themselves and other developers ability to make money.

There are no referral fees or affiliate programs for any of WordPress.com products that are up-sells on the credibility they gain from millions of independents using their product.

Whatever, this is the situation we find ourselves in. Clients want WordPress because it has reached default status. So we are all forced to scramble to figure out how to monetize our work in a cms that really doesn’t want us to.

So I’m trying to play along. I’m just leery at times that it is worthwhile, and I wish that WordPress was as enabling of developers as Apple. There are only a few reasons that I can think of that it isn’t. WordPress.com doesn’t want to run a paid repo because they are lazy, WordPress.com doesn’t want to run a paid repo because developers making money could afford to compete with what WordPress.com wants to offer. Neither of those seem to be ethical positions in open source. The argument that they don’t have the time is bs, because they could charge for the sale and that revenue could support the operation, just like Apple.

Also it wouldn’t sabotage free at all because I think you would have at least 50x the developer participation if there was an official marketplace.

“What I can say is that NO ONE wants to turn .org into a commercial repo where plugins are sold.”

What about me?

I absolutely want that. Maybe the plugins are only .99 like on the iphone. So the 1500 people that are using my plugin might have ponied up and I could pay a bit of my taxes.

The problem is that, even though you could create that on your own. Not having it in core effectively biases everyone against that approach.

My basic problem is. Where are the ethics in using someone else’s work and not compensating them. Why do we have a minimum wage and child labor laws?

The wordpress repo encourages people to contribute for free and then essentially beg people to value their contribution. Or artificially segment the value of their work in crazy mixed up schemes to give a bit of functionality and then try and get people buy into a paid solution that has to have all it’s own delivery infrastructure.

What is the good argument for not setting up a market place? Do you think getting paid would lower the quality of wordpress plugins? That is completely counter intuitive.

I pay for gravity forms, and I see zero good reason why I shouldn’t be able to install it via the repo even though it needs a code. It just makes life harder.

I’m not buying the argument that everything has to be free. It is actually ridiculous and more than a little insulting to contributors that they have to work so hard and scheme to figure out how to monetize their work.

WordPress needs the Apple model. Unless you are just allergic to making a living. They have free stuff there. If WordPress really wants to be the center of the universe. Enable the developers with a real business model.

Travis, your first mission in life is to feed and otherwise support yourself and your family. So I say never apologize for configuring your free offerings in any way you choose. Especially when you are clearly flexible in your offering and would be happy to just get paid for a version that is more palatable to the end user.

If anyone is frustrated with how a developer tries to monetize something that they are giving out for free, you need look no further than the refusal of the official repo to become an app store for plugins.

People are likely not going to “donate” but are 100% likely to complain when we have to patchwork together ways to get paid for contributing.

I would wager that if you were getting respect from the community for your work and getting paid then you never would have spend time trying to figure out how to get further in peoples faces.

Let’s fix the way this all works so that developers get their due instead of complaining that what we get for free is free enough.

One way to do that would be add some better official hooks to encourage plugin authors to request attention in a singular way. Say a persistent donation meta box in the admin with add_plugin_donation_request(array(whatever should be included))

Sharing is caring and that goes for code and for money.

Sorry for the slow response, I’m going back through my plugins and attempting to reinvigorate myself.

Version 0.0.9.3 has an all types option and includes class names on the items for thier mime type. So you can define styles specific to each mime type.