robaxxx

ok cool, I’ll note that and check it out.
Thanks
ROb

Hi again

I’m not getting my question across clearly.

I have understood that your plugin will not activate if WooCommerce is not activated as well. And that this needs to be at network level for the license to apply to subsites.

Most subsites will never have WooCommerce activated because they are not stores.

This is the question:
Will those sites without WooCommerce break in any way, or will nothing happen.

A similar question:
Can I activate WooCommerce at network level just to install the plugin and then deactivate WooCommerce again.

I can test this but it should be easier and safer to ask.

Thanks again
Rob

Ok I see. Yes that plugin looks like it will work. I’ll give it a test.
Thanks
Rob

Thanks for the reply.

But does it also need to be activated on all of the subsites as well?

Assuming that I activate WooCommerce at the network-level site, will the subsites without WooCommerce stop working?
Regards?
Rob

Hi again
Hope you don’t mind me opening this again, but it relates to the previous posts in the thread.

I’m in the process of setting up one site on my multisite with WooCommerce. I’m testing the free version of your Australia Post plugin.

I activated it at site level for the site and it looked like it was going to work.

Then I recalled you said that it should be activated at network level if I wanted to go premium and use it on any site in the multisite.

So I deactivated the plugin at site level and then activated it at Network level. But it wouldn’t let me do that unless WooCommerce is also activated (which I don’t need at Network level).

So the question is:

If I get the premium version and want to activate it at network level, will it require that WooCommerce is activated on all subsites? Is there any way around this if it is true? I certainly don’t want to activate WooCommerce on all of the sites.

I’ll carry on and test the free one at site level until I hear back.

Thanks for any further advice on this.
Rob

Opps, forgot to put the image in:
https://ibb.co/YTZLhfF

And I also see that the forum editor has changed my code example to proper code, so just ignore that bit. I had pasted it in with the brackets and slashes escaped.

Hi Adam

I had to revert to backup as it was just breaking too many things. I was getting oddball issues such as a plugin throwing licensing errors, pages having partially broken layout (looked like broken CSS), and as I had just suffered time consuming dramas with both Forminator and SmartCrawl I was losing faith fast. Note that I also reported two bugs in Beehive, but those were easily replicated and are on the list to be fixed.

So my hit rate with these plugins was not going too well and so I lost faith and reverted. I have kept Beehive installed as the fixes are coming, and Forminator was also fixed in an update so that’s great.

But regarding Hummingbird… I can’t risk installing it again, but I’ll juts give you whatever info I can.

Prior to Hummingbird I used WP Speed of Light, which is a similar plugin, but not nearly as aggressive. It just does basic server and browser caching and basic CSS and JS combining and shrinking. I normally only enabled this for CSS unless it was a simple site. Obviously Speed of Light was deactivated when I installed Humminbgbird.

No other caching plugins were present and I also do not use IIS caching on the server. I went through the whole caching research process quite a while back and originally settled on Speed of Light as it worked and didn’t do anything too crazy. I looked again at Hummingbird because Beehive had received GA4 capability and so the full suite of Beehive, Hummingbird and SmartCrawl started to look like an attractive alternative.

I’ll post the server info which lists all plugins below in case anything looks dubious.

Regarding the issue I mentioned where posts had broken and I noted it was posts where I disabled the image on archive view – I use a feature in Astra Pro that lets one do this per post – See description here: https://wpastra.com/docs/improved-block-editor-experience/#improvement-on-the-featured-images-of-the-posts-page

I’ve no idea why that would be related, but it was happening as described.

If there’s anything else that might help, let me know. I’ll keep an eye on the release logs and can test it again in future.

Regards
Rob

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Hi Adam

I’m only new to WP this past year, moving over from DNN, and when I report bugs, I’m used to developers wanting to get in and see what’s happening.

I was unaware of that WP support rule and I’m surprised this is the first time anyone has pointed it out given that I’ve set up and offered access to staged copies of the affected system many times over within the same tickets. E.g. I reported a Forminator bug where I was made to create an entire new server environment from scratch to confirm the issue, which it did, but then no one wanted to look at it.

This idea that people reporting bugs have to get you to replicate it on your system is not very useful when it more than likely is going to work on yours anyway… because your system is probably not identical in every way. Frankly i’s a bit of a cop-out because one can easily state there is no bug.. because “it isn’t happening here’. Obviously one has to balance your time spent versus time spent by bug reporters, but this 100% hands-off rule for every report is not that great.

Regarding this issue I reported here. I was unable to get you to replicate it there, but it still happened here. If I were on your end, and I thought this might be a real bug or conflict, then I would have asked me to put a ticket in at my/your website and then not worry about the WP Support rule. One could have figured this out more quickly and easily.

I also didn’t enjoy having to put links to my site and to shared files in the public ticket here. The instant I posted the link to the staged copy, it started getting comment bombed. There should be a way to send such things privately in some cases.

Maybe provide a support ticket from your site in certain cases and then check the faulty site (or a copy thereof) directly.

So that’s my feedback on that matter.

And to wrap up the particular issue in this ticket:

I reverted to a backup 15 days prior to installing both SmartCrawl and Hummingbird, the latter of which had started causing the DB to grow in an unsustainable manner and attempts to disable it started breaking things all over. IT started to get real messy and the only safe way out was to go back. I started a thread about the separately.

Then I changed all the sites back to WP Meta SEO which I was using previously for the same purpose – but had removed in favour of Smartcrawl. I examined the pages and found that a handful of them also had the Elementor style in the page and so I submitted the bug report to that developer. Within two hours, he had logged in, found the cause, fixed it and got back to me.

I asked about the details and he explained that when no meta description is entered, the plugin will take some text from the post_content field for it. Elementor may sometimes enter a style tag in there and it might pick that up. So he added code to detect this and skip it.

I don’t know if Smartcrawl gets the description from that field when it’s not manually updated, but if it does then it will have the same problem. Conversely, if it already detects and removes/skips such tags in the field then that would have been known.

So that’s the issue and that’s the fix.

Regards
Rob

Well this disintegrated quickly.

I deactivated the Asset Optimization feature on the site with the biggest tables and also optimised the db. Then I tried activating the Basic method on a small site to see if it would do anything different. It still put the extra rows in the table.

Then I discovered that many posts on the big site had broken. It appeared to be posts where I had disabled the featured image from the archive view. I was also unable to edit and resave those posts as it threw an error.

So luckily I have a back from two weeks ago prior to installing both SmartCrawl and Hummingbird and so I’m in the process of restoring all the way back.

Update:
I took the risk and just deactivated that feature. That did remove the extra rows. Then I was able to clean up the db to reclaim the empty space.

So just the second question:

If I activate again and select the Basic rather than the Speedy option, will that just do this again?

This is clearly going around in circles now and so I’m putting a stop to it. I can’t keep spending time on overlapping instructions from multiple different people. It’s not productive.

In my opinion, this issue occurs with existing pages after SmartCrawl has been added to the site. I found the issue in 10% of pages. I don’t think any amount of me creating new pages with Smartcrawl installed is going to replicate this.

Regardless, the tests I’ve completed today are as follows:

First I created 10 new pages with SmartCrawl but without Elementor installed. No issue on those 10 pages.

Then I activated Elementor and checked the pages again. No issue again so I deleted those pages.

Then I deleted the SmartCrawl plugin after first resetting all sites and setting it to remove all related data.

Then I added 10 new Elementor pages, installed SmartCrawl and activated it. I checked those 10 pages and did not find the issue.

However, I did find the issue again on the same 3 pages it happened on previously. Those are the pages in the zip in this ticket. I can’t see any particular thing in common in those 3 pages, but I’m not a WP developer.

Result:

No, I cannot replicate the issue in those specific tests. But I can replicate the issue by simply installing the plugin and checking all of the existing pages. i.e. it repeated itself.

That’s the bug I reposted, and it remains even though I cannot replicate it with a few new pages.

I’ve deleted the test instance because I’ve offered it more than once in the thread but no one wants to check it out.

I’ll leave it there.
Thanks

Hi Adam

I get the impression that SmartCrawl applies the meta descriptions on first activation and that’s how it remains until manually changed. At least that would explain the outcome of the tests below, but I don’t know.

The two screenshots linked here show the db rows for the affected post 1601 and an unaffected post for comparison. I can’t see any keys with that name in either case. I also checked around for any SmartCrawl tables at site and network level and could only see one called _wp_smartcrawl_redirects. Not sure if that means anything.

https://ibb.co/jkXnc41
https://ibb.co/XJqMbR4

Carried out these steps and tests:

Deactivated at site level:
Astra Pro
Disable Author Archives
Favicon by RealFaviconGenerator
Forminator
GuardGiant Brute Force Protection
Pre-Publish Checklist
Premium Starter Templates
Spectra
Ultimate Addons for Elementor
WP File Download
WP Media folder
WP Table Manager
WP Team Showcase and Slider Pro
WPS Hide Login

Checked page Source – No change

Deactivated at networklevel:
Activity Log
Admin Menu Editor Pro
AME Branding Add-on
Autoremove Attachments
Better Search Replace
Branda
Code Snippets Pro
Imsanity
Mail logging – WP Mail Catcher
Multisite Enhancements
NS Cloner – Site Copier
Optimize Database after Deleting Revisions
User Role Editor Pro
WordPress Toolbar Editor
WP-DBManager
Yoast Duplicate Post

Checked page Source – No change

Deactivated and Reactivated SmartCrawl
Same outcome

Changed theme from Astra to Twenty Twenty-Two
Same outcome

Deactivated and Reactivated SmartCrawl
Same outcome

Deactivated Elementor Pro
Same outcome

Deactivated Elementor
Same outcome

Deactivated and Reactivated SmartCrawl
Same outcome

At this point no plugins other than SmartCrawl are enabled. The meta description for the post still holds the elementor css and that makes it look to me like it was picked up on first activation and stored somewhere.

I’ve left the site as-is at this point – Page is here:
https://template.wumpworld.com/our-responsibility/tcfd/

Regards
Rob

Hi Adam

I’ve exported all 3 of the pages I found with the issue and put them in a zip on Google Drive.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EmCFl8Ft7ZTcdy9sn4XOlWiBT3ZivluO/view?usp=sharing

The specific page linked in my previous post is elementor-3280-2022-10-11.json

And the WP instance I spent time setting up for this is available at any time if you want to get in. Just let me know where to send the details.
Regards
Rob

Hi Nithin

I’ve spent the day setting up a copy of my multisite system to test this. Everything is up to date including SmartCrawl 3.2.1

I checked a site that has around 30 pages.

Without SmartCrawl activated, the pages have no meta description tag. When I activate SmartCrawl, the pages gain a meta description as well as OG and Twitter tags.

When I check each page in the admin, I find 3 pages that have the Elementor style statement inserted and it shows up in all of these tags in the page source.

That means it was not the action of going into Quick Edit that did it, as I had thought. It is simply what the plugin does by default when activated. It must go looking for the content to insert and for some reason it finds the CSS?

It’s not clear why it picks on certain pages. One has a Forminator form, another has just text and images, and the last has a Tables plugin by JoomUnited on it.

Here’s the page that just has text and images (can you delete this from the post?): https://template.wumpworld.com/our-responsibility/tcfd/
Check the source there and you’ll see it.

I can send you access to this WP instance if you’d like to look in? You can mess it up all you want.
Regards
Rob

Thanks Zafar. Looking forward to it ??
Rob