PolyWogg

So I am not with Imagely, but I can tell you the format for my Tag codes, if it helps:

domain.com/pageorpost/nggallery/tags/tag

This is the same as what they told you basically for format.

However, I find it easiest to let NGG generate the tag links, rather than doing it myself. I a post called “test” (could have been a page just as easily) and inserted the gallery as a tag cloud (it has to be a gallery, it won’t take albums). Then I clicked on one of the pre-generated tags to see what opened:

polywogg.ca/test/nggallery/tags/Ottawa

This gave me the properly formatted link, with five components to the link:

a. Site: polywogg.ca
b. Post or page: test … just a temporary one, but you’ll need a permanent structure if you want to reuse all of them, otherwise the sublinks won’t work;
c. Control: nggallery to put you in the NGG control hierarchy for dynamically generated pages;
d. Category: tags to tell it that you’re sorting by tags
e. Tag: Ottawa in my case.

I wondered if it was your use of hyphens, but I have one:

https://polywogg.ca/test/nggallery/tags/panda-wedding

and it works just fine.

Just to confirm, are you sure your tag says “15-30” for each one i.e., not a range of tag 15 to tag 30 but an actual tag called “15-30”)…I also assume you’ve checked that you haven’t accidentally assigned all the tags to every photo?

Good luck!

Paul

I mostly agree with you, but it is because you are doing a trade-off:

a. If you use NGG to generate the pages, the breadcrumbs work perfectly (album to album to album to gallery), BUT you can style the individual pages within that hierarchy.

b. If you use WP to style individual pages, then they aren’t really an NGG hierarchy anymore and of course the breadcrumbs don’t work.

I do know there are some “pages” plugins that allow you to do nested pages with breadcrumbs (i.e. using pages not posts). Not really my structure so I don’t do it that way.

Good luck!

Paul

Hope it helped. I forgot to mention that I have seen another solution, but it isn’t exactly “normal” so I hesitated to mention it. Sooo, let’s say you want an ALBUM to show:

INTRO TEXT
GALLERY A
MIDDLE TEXT
GALLERY B
END TEXT

A little basic, but the structure can be longer. You could create two “odd” options that solve your layout problem somewhat.

First, you could create an album with five galleries:

– Empty gallery 1 — with the intro text as the description;
– Gallery A
– Empty gallery 2 — with the middle text as the description;
– Gallery B
– Empty gallery 3 — with the end text as the description.

I used to use another gallery that was standalone, and lots of people created “spacer” galleries with no images in them so the descriptions broke it up. Kind of “odd” as I said, and styling can be challenging, but it CAN be done.

An even “odder” solution is for you to use something like Powerpoint or GIMP to create pic files with just text on it, like the Intro Text, and then add that image to your gallery. Then, the text doesn’t go in the description, it just appears a photo. If you use a layout with no border around the pic, and choose a font and size that meshes well with your theme, you would see:

Pic 1 (actually text but with no border, you can’t “see” that it’s not just text)
Pic 2
Pic 3 (medium text)
Pic 4
Pic 5 (end text).

The tool I used before had VERY limited text options for pages in certain themes, and people bypassed it by making pics of text. Some made it look identical to a similar page in WordPress. A little more elaborate, but does allow you to merge text and pics really easily. Just a thought…however, if you use option 2 over option 1, the text is all “graphics” which means it isn’t searchable as text on your site.

Paul

Hi CHHag,

I am another user, not from support, but I had similar desires to you, and I think it is more a question of design philosophy vs. functionality. I found ways to make the structure do what I wanted, not sure if it will help, but I’ll share my experience.

First, for the text between galleries on a page or between images in a gallery, it seems desirable, but once you look at your webpage in editor, you see obviously it could never do that. Your basic page says:

Hi this is a gallery

(code to insert gallery)

Thanks for viewing

While it “looks” like a page when you’re done, of course it isn’t — the page as you see it doesn’t really exist. It’s “generated” when it loads. Put differently, you’re saying “Hi, (insert database query results), Thanks”. To do what you suggest would mean having to say “Hi, (insert partial results), new text (insert more results),” etc. If that is what you want, you CAN do it, but you have to tell NGG which results you want and where…you can, for example:

a. Insert an image from the gallery one by one and add text between, around, before, etc. I do this with a bunch of blog posts…a gallery has all the images together and I *could* insert the gallery at the top, but instead, I just type my text, insert an image where I want it, and move on.

https://polywogg.ca/monday-memories-sunsets/

This is a rudimentary example, but those handful of images are a subset from a larger gallery of 20-30 photos, individually inserted so I could put text wherever I want around it. As an aside, I also use NextGEN Gallery Image Chooser as a separate plugin (not made by NGG) that makes it easier to insert single images quickly. It is a bit simpler interface to generate the insert code faster than NGG’s menu system does.

b. Insert subsets of gallery images — when you go to insert Gallery A, for instance, you can tell it to insert all of Gallery A by default or you could click on the third tab of “gallery insert” where it has an option to include/exclude images, pick the first four or five, insert the gallery, type your text, and then insert Gallery A a second time, pick a different subset of images, type some more text, etc. It could look like 2+ mini-galleries even though it would all be from the same gallery (this is the example I used above — “HI (insert subset) text (insert 2nd subset) text”).

It works for me, and is closer to the functionality I want.

A third “option”, and not one I think is great, is to generate the page with all the images, get it looking exactly how you want it, open up the developer tab in your browser (Firefox, Chrome, IE, etc. all have something similar) so you can see all the raw code, copy the code and paste it into a new page in WP. It’s pretty clunky to do that, but it would give you ALL the images and then you could just put text wherever you want. Some professional coders used to do that with programs like Front Page — they would generate the basic page structure code using the editor, maybe with complicated table layouts, and then copy the code into a separate editor, play with it, and then publish an HTML page. It wasn’t really using Front Page or the offline editor to do it, it was just a starting point to avoid having to manually code everything. Not recommended, but you *could* do it. Huge amount of extra work, lots of extra code, no easy way to cascade changes later, BUT maximum flex for each page.

For your breadcrumbs, I had a similar issue, but I think mine was a more obvious “design flaw” on my part. If I go to a page that has, say, 3 galleries on it…which breadcrumb should it show if I go down a page and come back up? If I generate a page that is an album of an album of an album of an album of galleries, it will work just fine — because all of the chain was generated by the NGG system. But if I manually create one of those pages to give myself extra styling options, it would look like: Album / manual page / galleries; then when you click the manual page, it won’t understand the structure because you manually jumped out of it.

I got around this, but did so deliberately as I didn’t like the look and feel of the URLs when people were in sub-generated pages. Put differently, if NGG generates a page as if it is navigating the tree, then you have little control over how that page looks — can’t add much of anything to it because the page doesn’t really exist. If you insert an ALBUM A of albums B, C, D, and you click first on A and then on B, C, or D, *that* page doesn’t really exist. It just is generated by the first page. So there is no page D by default to edit. The bonus is that the breadcrumbs work just fine, the bad side is that there is not much you can do to style that page or add text.

My alternate design philosophy was to make every gallery and album have its own page. So:

ALBUM A — Page A
SUB-ALBUM B — PAGE B
SUB-ALBUM C — PAGE C
SUB-ALBUM D — PAGE D
GALLERY X — PAGE X
GALLERY Y — PAGE Y
GALLERY Z — PAGE Z

PAGE A shows album A with three sub-albums B, C, and D. It is only one level so I can basically do what I want with the page at the top and bottom. I *could* insert the galleries three times, but no real need, it’s an index page. When I click on D, it takes me to a separate page that is almost identical … it is a page just to handle Album D which has galleries x, y, z. I can style that page however I want.

The downside? You lose the automatic breadcrumbs. Because you’re not having NGG generate the pages, you get REAL pages to edit. And you can tell NGG if you click on Gallery X, it should take you to PAGE X and nothing else. This actually gives a bit of security. I opted out of the self-generated pages because I have a few private albums I didn’t want it to show. Nothing particularly secretive, they could be found by searching, but they have, say, a group of images from a wedding and I want only the guests to see those with a password. NGG doesn’t include security locks for galleries, you have to do that with a page, so I couldn’t let NGG generate index all the time or it would allow someone to navigate to that gallery (it would show up in the index). Instead, I make it so if someone DOES click on that gallery, it takes them to PAGE X (for example) and page X has WP page security on it (a password for example). But, as I said, I lose automatic breadcrumbs to do that. As a result, I inserted my own bread crumb, similar styling. My site is organized chronologically (THEME / YEAR / MONTH / EVENT) so when I’m doing a bunch of monthly or event galleries in a year, all the breadcrumbs are the same (it links to the year above), so I just set it up once for January and copying the link works the same for the rest of the year.

Here’s an example of my main gallery page:

https://polywogg.ca/pandafamilygallery/

It’s not finished yet, another 12 years to go and some indexing, a few albums to put in albums, or galleries to put into albums, but the breadcrumbs work fine, albeit manually. Of course, while all that above control is great, and I can program manual breadcrumbs, if I suddenly decided to re-structure the overall gallery, those breadcrumbs would all need to be manually edited. I got a lot more control out of doing it manually, but also less structural flexibility later.

I don’t know if that helps. The more I use it, the more I see what it can do, and most of it is just finding the exact structure that works between NGG defaults and user tweaks.

Good luck,

Paul
aka PolyWogg

Wow, that IS annoying. And by “that” I mean you. Again.

They offered to help you but you don’t want them to do it directly on your site (which most developers won’t offer because of the work involved) and when they tell you to submit a bug report, you insist that they should take the limited info you provided in a support forum about config issues and work from there. Then you assume that it is a universal problem and if they “simply install both”, they’ll see the error. You have a VERY strange way to ask people for help. I don’t work for them and you’re even p***ing me off.

Fact — it won’t necessarily show up on their site, because I have both installed on my site, and they’re both working FINE. Hence it is specific to YOUR site and YOUR config, which they offered to try to diagnose for you, but you were too busy being rude.

Fact — you’ve encountered a potential bug since they normally work together and insist on reporting it in the wrong place which means it won’t be tracked with your email and won’t be followed up and prioritized in the right places, but sure, just because they have a process designed to ensure you get support and corrections by the right people, why should they not just adjust all their processes to do it the way you think they should and is the most convenient for you?

Fact — On top of all of it, Mailpoet’s help files SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS YOUR ERROR, you muppet, with a page entitled “After an Update, Newsletters Are Missing”. Which you said you make sure they’re always up to date. Because you know, how rude they were in asking you which versions you were using. Which you didn’t even answer, you just said latest. Latest beta? Latest public? Latest as of that day? Who knows, you couldn’t even be bothered to check your versions to confirm the info they asked for so they could attempt to replicate the same environment as you.

But, good news, MP knows it’s a problem and it’s a PROBLEM WITH THEIR PLUGIN. So you can ask them about how to correct it. You know, like a normal person would when they find a problem with smaller Plugin A instead of asking larger Plugin B developer to fix it.

I apologize to NGG personnel that they have to put up with muppets like allenfreeman, who has a bit of reputation around the forums for being regularly both rude and condescending. You’re doing a great job trying to solve configuration issues across a gazillion different platforms and setups, most of which work out of the box, and some of us appreciate the effort more than others.

Paul

Wow, Imagely, I’m impressed, as another user of NGG.

– There was a conflict with a smaller, less popular, niche-y plugin for a non-core function but the user blames you for “breaking” the other plugin despite them having 4 years of WP experience so should know better;
– The person asked you for help rather than going to the smaller plugin, as the normal protocol would be;
– You did help, and tailored your help all the way to testing their site to find a solution; and,
– They say “great” and that your service was deserving of a “high rating”.

Aaaaaand then they slap you on the way out with a “it would have better for NGG to blah blah blah”. Really?

And people sometimes wonder why tech support has such a high burnout rate…even when you get “great” there’s always a “but” attached.

Interesting, and totally off the wall, but I get a similar but different error when I go to reuse a page that has an existing gallery in it. For context, I’m uploading galleries and linking them to pages for a chronological gallery format for something. So there’s a page for 2018, January and 2018, February, etc. The format for each month is identical so I designed the first one and then I duplicate it for the subsequent months, edit them for title, open the gallery, change to the next month’s gallery, and close.

If for some reason I change something else in there, when I go to close out, it tells me the same type error — the template doesn’t exist or isn’t valid. When I open the gallery back up, and go to the CUSTOMIZE DISPLAY OPTIONS tab, choose my template, the problem seems to be the link to the template.

Instead of highlighting one of the existing default templates, which might be a legacy view for instance, it is instead trying to send me to a complicated URL like the one above that says blahblahblahblah\blahblahblah\template.php. In other words, instead of linking to template.php and it using the envt variables to know where that is stored, it has created some sort of “extra” option in the dropdown menu to the same template but with the full URL showing. I change it back to the default drop down option (same template, just properly named), and it works again.

It’s not serious enough for me to open a ticket, and it isn’t consistent, it just seems like sometimes when it saves, it tries to save the FULL url instead of just the dropdown menu option and then generate it later.

I doubt it is related to the problem you’re having, I only mention it in case it triggers something for you to tweak. For me, it’s almost the same wording, but a very simple fix each time to just reset the template to the proper one on the page.

Paul
aka PolyWogg

Apologies, it wasn’t clear from your first post if you were experienced with it or new to the plugin. It’s one of the unique features (imo) of NGG that it doesn’t auto add to a default album or ask you to do it when you create it and from the archives, a frequent question / answer about why something isn’t shown.

I did have a slightly similar problem with one of mine, but it was my hoster’s cache plugin that was causing the glitch. I cleared LiteSpeed’s formal cache, and everything was fine after that. At one point, it was REALLY weird because I had created a graphic file, saved and uploaded it, and then decided to edit some text in the graphic. I deleted the file on the server, edited / saved / reuploaded, and the preview was fine. But when I went to display it — and it had the same filename — it was showing me the cached version of the graphic and the album, not my latest update. I guess that update didn’t trigger a cache purge the way the others have.

DOesn’t sound the same as your problem but it was the only other thought I had for you on a weekend when the developers are likely not around. Good luck…

Paul

You may have already checked this, but have you gone into manage albums and ensured your new galleries are included in that album?

If you create an album (A1) and a few galleries (G1, G2, G3), then when you go to insert A1 in page, the galleries only show IF you have edited A1 to include G1, G2, G3 in them (MANAGE ALBUMS / SELECT ALBUM / drag any galleries (column 2) or other albums (column 3) that you want into the album into column 1). It isn’t automatic.

Similarly, if you create a page, and insert the album A1 BUT not having inserted the galleries, it only shows you the galleries the album knows about. Or if you create a page and only insert a gallery, it doesn’t know it’s part of an album, so you’ll only see that gallery, not the ones that come after.

I do mine chronologically — 2008 for instance, has 01 January, 02 February, 03 March, etc. in it. Which means:

1. I created Album 2008;
2. I created 12 galleries;
3. I used MANAGE ALBUMS to add the 12 galleries into the album.

Doesn’t matter what order you do 1 & 2 in, or even if you do 1,2,3,2,3,2,2,3,3,3,. You just have to add them to the album after you create them.

P.

• This reply was modified 4 years, 10 months ago by PolyWogg.
• This reply was modified 4 years, 10 months ago by PolyWogg.

I’m making progress!

a. NEXTGEN PRO LIGHTBOX: I can now turn off the title, increase the size of description, adjust size of the sharing icons, remove them from above comments (so not showing twice), and delete the PINTEREST button so it only shows FB and Twitter.

#npl_wrapper.npl-variant-white .galleria-info-title {display: none !important;}
#npl_wrapper.npl-variant-white .galleria-info-description {text-align: left; font-size: large;}
#npl_content .galleria-image-share-icons ul li a svg {font-size: 24px; margin: 0 2px 0 2px;}
#npl_wrapper #npl_sidebar .galleria-image-share-icons {display: none !important;}
#npl_wrapper .nggpl-comment-pinterest-button, .nggpl-comment-pinterest-button svg:hover, .nggpl-comment-pinterest-button i:hover {display: none !important;}

b. IMAGEBROWSER EXIF: I can remove the title above the picture, centre the description under the photo,

#content .ngg-imagebrowser h3 {display: none !important;}
#content .ngg-imagebrowser-desc p {text-align: center; font-size: large;}

c. THUMBNAIL GRID: Adjust the font-size of the caption under the photo in the thumnbnail grid.

#content .nextgen_pro_thumbnail_grid.pro-thumbnail-caption-template .ngg-caption {font-size: 20px;}

Onward with stylings! You could mark this one as complete too!

Paul

Awesome, thanks. If I had to guess, I would say it is

RewriteCond %{QUERY_STRING} ^.*(globals|encode|localhost|loopback).* [NC,OR]

as it does seem to just go into an infinite loop (if I’m understanding what that command does). And it kind of seems to match a bit…if I do https://www.mydomain.com, it would match “localhost” in that list. However, if I do mydomain.com, it doesn’t seem to match it, and so it lets it through. Again, if I understand that command properly (no guarantees!).

In the meantime, rather than add the rule, which might get me messed up, I think I’ll just leave that part alone ?? It’s working, it’s all good.

Thanks again. I wish I had found the error 3 years ago when it first “appeared”. If I hadn’t switched to AIO recently, and found the same bug when I reinstalled Piwigo and started using it again, I never would have been able to narrow it down. Worst case scenario now, if someone has the same error, they might trip over the posts and find the problem/solution.

PolyWogg

Have eliminated:

Basic
– Basic firewall
– XMLRPC
– Pingback
– Debug log

Advanced
– Directory contents
– Trace and Track
– Proxy Comment Posting
– Advanced Character String Filter

AH-HAH! It conflicts with the bad query string setting.

PolyWogg

I haven’t narrowed it down yet, but I’ve eliminated some possibilities.

It seems to be a sub-rules that can tell the difference between

https://www.domain.com/gallery and
domain.com/gallery.

The firewall rule is blocking anything with the full domain name in it, but without the www part, it slips by somehow.

I don’t see anything specifically in the firewall rules, though. I have Basic engaged.

It’s not Directory Contents, that works.
It’s not Trace and Track, that works.

Still trying things one by one.

Any luck finding a more permanent solution? I’ve got same issue over here.

P.

Try installing WP CRON STATUS CHECKER. It adds a widget to your dashboard — it won’t fix anything but it will tell you if your WP-CRON is running or not, or has an error. Mine definitely has the 403 error…

Standard fixes are:

1. Check .htaccess (try renaming to htaccessxx temporarily and see if a schedule post will post — this is the source of my problems, haven’t solved yet);
2. Check security plugins (not your problem, since none running);
3. Check other plugins (deactivate all, but not your problem again);
4. Check file permissions for wp-cron (temporarily change to 777, full rights);
5. Check folder permissons for root WP installation (temporarily change to 777, full rights);

If all those fail, you have eliminated access to the file or folder; conflict from security; conflict from other plugins; and permissions for the file and the folder.

That leaves you the other three options I’ve seen:

a. WP MISSED SCHEDULE (I’m personally leery of installing ones that don’t rest in the WP repository and the installation instructions are not awesome);
b. Check with your host to see if there is a server config issue; or,
c. Bypass WP-CRON and do it at the CPANEL level (that seems way overkill to me but lots of people like it over the way WP-CRON runs).

At least that is what I seem to have discovered so far.

For me, I’m off to fight with .htaccess.

Paul
aka PolyWogg