mitua

Hi,
I have a question. Please read it nicely so that it can be resolved in one answer and do not require me to post any further queries on it.

I have multiple elearning courses which will have different prices and duration for expiry. I am selling the course memberships as woocomerce products. Sine I need recurring payments so I am using woocomerce subscription by yith. The restricted feature will be provided by pmpro as u have mentioned earlier.

My question is :
A) how will I get different duration for each course. Will it be from pmpro or woocomerce subscription? If it’s from woocomerce subscription will your pmpro provide the restriction for the duration taken care by woocomerce subscription?
And if the duration of expiry is provided by pmpro along with restricted content feature how will it provide different durations for different courses?

How can I set the levels for my elearning multiple courses with different durations so that duration of expiry is also taken care of for each courses being sold as woocomerce product So?

If u know an example elearning site using pmpro-woocomerce and courses of different duration being sold as woocomerce products pls mention that too or just clarify my query above.

Definitely its not in your scope to provide the custom coding. I do not want it right now too. Just asked so that could be used whenever required.

As far as my case is concerned for selling membership as woo commerce product i will use YITH woocommerce subscription (because the user will have the choice to renew or they can rebuy or they can leave after the expiry). I had done everything earlier including this YITH subscription plugin. But the only thing I was doing was the user had to go through the membership levels and select the level and then buy the membership product from the shop. Now after your replies i got the idea that the user can directly buy the membership products from the shop.
So thanks for your answers. It clarified almost everything required about your plugin.

No more queries now. And sorry for the bombarding of questions/replies in these two days.

The issue gets resolved fully as best as was possible from your side. Though I would have expected to get the pricing also from the level for selling the membership through woocommerce and should only have taken the checkout and shop feature of woocommerce. then the requirement of YITH or woocommerce subscription also would not have been there. But anyway. No problem.

The post gets resolved and closed.

Thanks and bye.

a) But will the expiry feature work if the product is sold through woocommerce without woocommerce subscription plugin(recurring payments not wanted and the users have to manually rebuy the product.) My doubt is will the product will have an expiry attached as mentioned in the level without the subscription plugin(YITH or woocommerce subscription) or will it be a like a very common ecommerce product like a tangible toy or a shirt, bought it, paid for it and finished and will not have a connection with the website further?
The doubt again has come because the pricing its not taking from the level so will it take the expiry part mentioned in the level?

b) I want to connect the membership products o any market place like ebay with membership on my site. I have to give them a registration code so that they can join as a member at my site after purchasing the product from ebay. for this you suggested many ways. You can go above on this page for recollecting your reply(point 3 of your reply). One of the ways you mentioned was “Use custom code to pass data automatically to your site to assign the membership level.”
Will this custom code automatically pass data everytime any customer buys my product from the marketplaces like ebay and enable his membership on my site and I do not have to do anything manually? Will it be possible for you to give the custom coding to enable the functionality?

Its not a question of recurring billing its a question of taking the pricing from the membership level whether its recurring or anything. because its selling membership as woocommerce product and using another subscription plugin or addon when the membership plugin itself s there which has both restrictions and pricing is definitely not proper and definitely you or anyone who will think it logically will agree on this point.

My motive is not to pinpoint any errors but to find a solution which is best.

So am continuing a bit in this post only.and I will put my question in very short. It will be easy for you and me both as it will save time. Moreover its only the last part and query as I have mentioned and I am not going to devote more on any more posts and questions related to PMPRO or PMPRO woocommerce.

a) Is there a way that I do not have to use any other subscription addon or plugin and the membership product while selling through Woocommerce takes the pricing too from the level (whatsoever it is whether recurring or not but its membership pricing) and checkout by woocommerce as woocommerce has the shop features and more payment options?
You can answer if you have an idea and if its not so complex or if Jason/Kim the experts can suggest through you would also be appreciable. Or otherwise I will use the YITH subscription for woocommerce if there is no other way.

b) Also earlier you had mentioned that for selling membership product on external market place like ebay we can create a custom code which automatically would connect the customers to membership on my site , can it be for everytime any user buy any membership product from the market place like ebay and i do not have to do anything manually? Will this be a complex code? will it be possible for you to mention the code or atleast give a hint(giving a hint only if not possible for you to give the code).

As you have said “Paid Memberships Pro will restrict content that shouldn’t be open to non-members. WooCommerce will handle the payments since you are selling your memberships through WooCommerce.”

a) Will Paid membership work and restrict the content when pricing is given as sale price and regular price and checkout and billing is done by woocommerce and membership given to this product from the meta data? the doubt is coming to my mind whether paid membership will work or not because now the product has simly become a woocommerce product.

b) The if you say that paid membership will restrict the content (because I have given the level to the product) and am selling through woocommerce. Then if this product is taking the restriction feature from the level created, why its not taking the pricing feature which I have entered in the same level i.e monthly billing every month 10USD.Then it is not selling membership as woocommerce product. It is simply selling the product as a simple woocommerce product with only restriction feature applied.

c) And according to you if I want to give the pricing feature too as the membership level you told to match the pricing according to the level and add a woocommerce subscription addon then the very meaning of selling the membership as woocommerce product is not there. And moreover woocommerce subscription is a paid addon. and also two subscription plugins are being added pmpro-woocommerce integration and then woocommerce subscription. Don’t you think its an erroneous for PMPRO in working with woocommerce? Don’t you think that PMPRO-woocommerce should apply the membership level pricing too on checkout through woocommerce simply because its selling membership as woocommerce product?

d) If at all another subscription plugin is required i will go for the free one. I will use YITH subscription. Have you heard about any failures for YITH subscription? or Do you know any reason if there is a ny YITH cannot be used? Or can I use YITH subscription?(Just taking an idea from you for this plugin as you might be knowing or if any expert from PMPRO be knowing).

I will elaborate further and clarify(This is the only one point I am stuck and after this I will close the post so I want to be very clear on this point and its the most important point) :

I am selling membership as woocommerce product to a new customer. So right now he is not a member.

I create a level in PMPRO as I said. The name of the level is K12. The level is set like this pay 10 USD now and then every month pay 10USD. That means its a membership in which a person is suppose to pay 10USD every month. This level will have products from Nursery to 12th grade(just as they are there in K12 schools).

Now I include the 15 products (Nursery, KG-I, KG-II, 1st Grade, 2nd grade, 3rd grade, ….. 12th grade) and I give all these products the K12 level by selecting K12 level in the product meta data. So now these become membership products which are going to be sold to new customers who are non-members initially before purchasing their required product.

Now as you said I have to include sale and regular price then on checkout also these sale and regular price will appear and these will be simply woocommerce product with no membership and no monthly fees. and after purchasing the product the customers will not be a member on my site. The membership level K-12 which I created is not applied even affter giving this level to the products.

Then what was the use of my creating a membership level and giving that level to these products namely Nursery, KG-I, KG-II,…. 12th grade? I wanted that K12 membership to apply to these products namely Nursery, KG-I, KG-II … 12th grade right from the very beginning when they purchase the product as new customers.

my query in simple words . I want to sell a course to a new customer(obviously he is a non-member). Its a long duration course say 12 months or so. I have created a membership level K-12 in which pricing is set like this : pay 10USD now and then 10 USD every month(i.e 10 USD fees per month).

Now the product grade-5(std-5) is created in the woocommerce shop and I give this product the K-12 membership and as you say that I have to enter the sale and regular price. Say the sale price I have entered as 8 USD and regular price as 15 USD. Now the product
grade-5(std-5) in the woocommerce shop will show its pricing as 8usd as sale price and 15USD as regular price. and if the customer buys it in the checkout also it will be 8USD as the sale price is 8 USD mentioned.

Where is the membership playing the role then for this new customer?
If he pays 8 usd it will be simply for nuying the product. Where is the monthly subscription as entered in the K12 level created?

A bit confusing here. need to clarify myself properly on this. I am selling the membership as woocommerce product.

a) The membership pricing has already been given while creating the level. So when this product is given that level in the meta data why its not taking the pricing given in that level?

b) And you are saying that I have to give the sale and regular price. but my product is a membership product and if I give the sale and regular price it becomes a simply woocommerce product and will checkout with this price in the sale /regular given in the meta data. so where is the membership for the product? and how will woocommerce know that it is a membership product and how will the system know that there is subscription attached with it as the pricing its taking is the sale/regular price(non-member pricing).

Not working.

Andrew, I set the levels page to the woocommerce shop page as you have mentioned. and in a product I gave it a membership level to the product. the pricing i have already given for the level in the levels. Now I did not give any price in the meta data.
the product is not showing any pricing at all. How will the user purchase the product? Its not showing any pricing nor showing any way to go to checkout.

I tried entering the price in the membership meta data (member discount price for that level) but even then on clicking the product no price its showing and nor any button or way to go to checkout.
What mistake I have done?

Thank you again for your very valuable answers. I need to continue to the point d) above Actually its not a woocommerce question at all. Since my topic is totally PMPRO-Woocommerce. Even selling on external marketplaces(cross site), I am talking about PMPRO-woocommerce products only(selling membership). Woocommerce will not be able to answer this question at all. You might not have used cross site selling but from the logical purpose of the PMPRO addon Import users from CSV you can resolve that query or through Jason/Kim can resolve it as my request to them. because I may need this feature in the future though not now.
The question am putting again for simplicity : I want to sell a membership product at external market place say ebay and I need to give the customers a registration code after their checkout on ebay. So if I take the user data from ebay and get it in the csv format of PMPRO addon import users from CSV and after adding the user as a member in my site send login credentials for the user through email(as in my site login is permitted only for members(those have purchased the membership).

What are the confirmation page and cancel page for? To which pages they are to be set?

Hi Andrew,

You have answered my basic questions. My query is resolved.
Just a few quick questions in the cosmetic/superficial category which am posting on this post only rather than create a new post. So you can feel fully relaxed to answer them.
(Selling membership as woocommerce products)

a) You have mentioned to set the levels page to woocommerce shop page and remove the page created. Do you mean to say remove the shop page from the page settings/ is it necessary to remove it or leave is their itself would not create problem?

b) Do we need to set the member account page so that the members can view their account? Which page has to be connected for PMPRO-Woocommerce integration? Do we have to set the pmpro account page to any new page or any woocommerce page?

c) You have mentioned”I usually set the checkout page to woocommerce store page. …)By store do you mean to say you set the checkout page to shop page or by store you mean some other woocommerce page? and after setting is it required to remove it?

d) For selling the products on external market places like amazon – (Correct me if am wrong)
The customers data can be taken from the market places and a csv can be created using the PMPRO addon import users from CSV and after the users are imported their login details can be emailed to them so that they can use the membership contents on our website.
or is their any other method?
(Also mention that the CSV format is ready in the addon)

Thnks andrew for your valuable answers.
I will implement these and if there is any issue i will contact you(PMPRO).

I am not talking about the discounts. I simply want to know whether I have to enter the sale/regular price in the general section of the meta data after entering the pricing in the membership/settings/levels or woocommerce will take the pricing from the levels itself on checkout?

Thanks for your reply again.

a) I have set the levels page to my woocommerce shop page for selling membership as woocommerce product. I have selected the level in the product meta data to give the product a membership status.But one question here is still not clear. I have entered the pricing in the levels settings. Now do I have to enter the pricing sale/regular price again in the General section of the meta data?

b) In your first reply you have mentioned same goes for checkout page. Do you mean to say if I am selling membership as woocommerce product I have to set my checkout page in the membership – settings – pages to my woocommerce checkout page?