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It seems the plugin activates but the Cleary Admin Top Menu replaces that of the Asset Manager, making the Asset Manager unusable.

Hi Kirill –

1 – Downloaded and installed Asset Manager
2 – Activated Asset Manager
3 – Disabled a CSS style sheet on the admin
4 – Downloaded and installed Clearfy
2 – Activated Clearfy

So Asset Manager is active, then when I attempt to activate Clearfy the error triggers.

View the actual Error Message here.

Does the pro support both multisite network types on NGINX?

I’m having the same issue. @fernandolawl, did you find a fix?

I also noticed that it doesn’t seem to recognize custom post types.

”We can see…”

I was curious who is ”We”?

Thanks for the quick reply. Is there anyway to hide all the modal notifications? or convert them into woocommerce type notifications?

https://screencast.com/t/F38QuGeWt
https://screencast.com/t/HKvnZ70wna

personally… I’m not a fan of having these type of messages a modal windows. It just adds unneeded friction.

But otherwise… great work on the plugin. Its a nice added feature to woocommerce.

[crickets-chirping]

I have the same need. +1 on the Woo Membership + Subscription. The lack of memberships support will most likely keep me from purchasing the paid version of WooCredits.

I agree. All-In-One solutions are rarely good. They just bloat features, cause problems and complications. I purchased the premium version of FastestCache and it works great, partially because of it’s simplicity and focus on being a cache plugin. If wouldn’t of purchased it, or even tried it if it also contained a DB cleaner/optimizer.

If you want to create a DB plugin as a standalone plugin, then I think you’d have customers interested in buying it… adding those features to FastestCache… Then FastestCache will no longer be a specialized cache plugin.

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But I still don’t understand why I got the worst review based on the fact that I was basically not responsive (because I was sleeping) and that the plugin mess with your install and probably buggy (which is not).

Option 1

Option 2

Option 3

^^^ Pick one ^^^ at this point, it’s all the same.

Option 3 feels more like it to me…

To clarify, the initial bad review was a mix of many things; mainly though, since there is poor documentation on the plugin, I was left to try and figure out how it worked, which left me with having a wrong understanding of what it actually does and how it does it.

And yes, I’ll most likely be purchasing the plugin now what it is designed to do.

Best,
CMW

A couple minor things since you brought up documentation. I should note that most developers create documentation in a wiki form. Makes things allot easier to figure out.

1) I couldn’t find any documentation on how the Total Sync features worked. The Hash and the IDs. Am I suppose to generate those and then manually ad them?

2) And if clicking refresh or resetting Hashes or Id’s unsyncs files, there should be a warning popup.

3) If removing a folder from Lightroom unsyncs files, that should be noted.

4) The “Uploaded to” in the Media Library doesn’t seem to work on either install I tested it on.

Again, you can say and deny that there are any flaws with the plugin… but I’ve tested it where most people just simply use it. Big difference.

Lastly I need to note again, It seems like you don’t understand this part… but you shouldn’t assume that your customers know how the LR Publish service functions. That is part of your job to educate them on the process.

Let me put it another way. When you developed your plugins for WP/LR Sync, did Adobe and WordPress supply you with endpoints? Did the give you resources to implement their API? How about a support site?

Now back to Option 1, Option 2, and/or Option 3

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It’s a Sunday. If you send an e-mail to any company close to you, would you mention in a review that they didn’t even reply to your emails within a few hours on a Sunday? But yes, I agree, that information could be added somewhere, and an auto-responder.

I could’ve waited a day or so before leaving a review, yes… let me explain why I didn’t, I’ve tested allot of themes and allot of plugins (allot of software in general) and I have little patience for developers who don’t supply basic documentation. I waste allot of time trying to figure out how products are intended to work. So while the issues are fresh in my mind, and If I I believe these issues could cause some serious headache for others, I’m leaving a review then, not later. It’s not my job to try and figure out how someones product is suppose to function. It is my responsibility to test it in my environment and understand the variables at hand. These type of reviews can be avoided by good documentation.

Do you realize those folders by dates are created by WordPress, and not my plugin?

Yes, I know this is how WordPress is meant to function, but I’ve seen developers create plugins that don’t follow best practices, and I’ve seen well intended plugins do some unintended things. Without a developer stating specifically how their plugin is meant to function, users have no baseline for testing or trouble shooting other than what they know about their existing test environment, which is more or less their theme and server environment.

What I think happened is you don’t really know how WordPress entirely works and how Media are exactly managed. Sorry to say that, but I believe it’s really true.

There are things I don’t know, yes I’m sure, but I understand serialization etc… but this more about the features of Lightroom and WP/LR Sync, in my opinion.

You thought the plugin would sync by filename.

I thought that WP/LR Sync would be able to relate that the files in Lightroom that share the same filename in the WP Media Library were the same files. So no, I didn’t think they would sync by filename, I thought WP/LR Sync would recognize the files as being related by filename giving me an option to sync them through Total Sync. It is called Total Sync.

You have images already uploaded in WP. You wanted to sync them with LR. You took the same images in LR, added them in WP/LR Sync Publish Services. Note that if you do this, it goes in a section called “New Photos to Publish”. They are New. So you click Publish, and they will be added to your WordPress as new ones. It’s simple as that. You can now change them, re-sync, etc. That’s how the plugin works. The basics are really simple.

For you, this was a mess. Duplicates in the Media Library. Many new folders were created (WordPress creates folders for each date on which the photos has been taken, or the upload date). The files and their alternate image sizes in there too. It’s totally normal, but for you it wasn’t. What you should have done at that stage is to delete all the images in the Publish Service. Publish. Then everything would have go back to normal.

Great info to have.

…it added the images you have added to the Publish Service. It’s also the first time I hear somebody being surprised by this.

If someone doesn’t normally use LR to manage their media files why would they know this? Not everyone who has a need for WP/LR Sync has experience with a publish service.

Just a suggestion, I’d think about changing the name from WP/LR Sync to LR/WP Sync or LR>WP Sync

Since it’s truly just a oneway sync, or actually more of a push service… being that If I edit media in WP, from my testing, there is no way to sync those edits to LR. So its LR > WP only.

P.S. If the plugin gets updated and/or the developer proves me wrong (maybe I’m missing something) I’ll be more than happy to change my review.

I do appreciate you taking the time to explain more about WP/LR Sync and how it’s suppose to work, I can now see the benefits that WP/LR Sync provides.

Best,
CMW

Hey Jordy,

Since you were so kind to leave me a thorough and lengthy reply, I thought it’d be rude of me not to do the same.

I am not sure why you went on the review section to bash the plugin and the developer so quickly.

I’m not sure why you think I was “bashing” you and your plugin when all I did is write a review of my experience with WP/LR Sync. And I never said it “destroyed” my work… you’re kind of being dramatic by even saying that.

The plugin cannot make your lose hundred of hours of work. It is not possible because it cannot destroy your work or anything you have done before.

I will argue with you that the plugin can mess up someones WP Media Database enough that they would be better off re-uploading all their media… and if they have hundreds or thousands of images and don’t have a backup of their install, there is no doubt that they would have a big mess to clean up.

So saying that is not very nice, I am sorry to say. Here are the screenshots.

Not really professional or cool of you to post an email between us with my personal information attached to it. Not at all. And yes you did send me an initial email, I never said you didn’t. I guess you assumed I knew that you were in Japan… sleeping.

You being an owner of a business I’d suggest that wherever you handle your support, you include your typical response time and location or timezone. That would eliminate allot of confusion from your customers. Or at the very least have an email autoresponder.

I think you started from a false assumption, which ended-up in doing a lot of tests that simply can’t work.

You have almost zero documentation on how to setup and use WP/LR Sync, nor do you have any documentation on how the workflow between WP/LR Sync, WordPress and Lightroom is meant to be conducted. It seems that you are under allot of assumptions that new customer will someone know how your plugin is suppose to work.

The workflow is simple: the photo must be added to WP/LR Sync, in LR. Publish. It appears on the Media Library. Any changes to this photo in LR and you will be able to publish again (and it will be updated on WP, in the Media Library). That’s how it works.

I conducted tests with two different themes following those exact steps and no visual changes that were made to an image in Lightroom would update in WordPress. Now If I edited the image in PS then used LR to Publish, those files on WP were updated with the visual edits.

…most photographers are using RAW files. So it can’t possibly match exactly the files on WordPress (which is a JPG or else).

There are allot of assumptions being made in the above statement, personally If I was developing this plugin, I wouldn’t be making them. But you know your customer base better than I do, I’m just one potential customer, It’s your product.

Also, most webmasters rename the files in WordPress for SEO purposes.

Also an assumption / generalization. It really depends on many factors. One could argue that it’s best to name all files prior to uploading them and never change the file names, especially if the image is already ranking well in searches. So It depends on many different factors. But If that affects how WP/LR Sync works or how it is intended to be used… It would be good to have that clearly spelled out.

I am not sure who you are blaming here. But if you delete the main folder or any folders in Lightroom, it can’t be my fault

I never said it was your fault, again, you’re being a bit dramatic and personalizing my review.

I did close my review by saying:

I’m not writing this to bash the developer but to let people know my experience, because if this plugin goes rogue on you… You could lose hundreds of hours of work.

P.S. If the plugin gets updated and/or the developer proves me wrong (maybe I’m missing something) I’ll be more than happy to change my review

I thought that was all a fair statement.

That fact is that since WP/LR Sync was being buggy… and after me having spent 6 hours by that time into trouble shooting the plugin, yeah, In the confusion and frustration I deleted a folder from Lightroom. To clarify, I never said I completely deleted any folders… and I was using test images anyways.

I am sorry, but that doesn’t make any sense. First, WP/LR Sync doesn’t decide anything for your exported files, it’s entirely managed by LR, the Export Settings in the plugins are handled by LR, they are the same for all the Publish Services in Lightroom. I don’t crop/resize or even creates those exported files. It depends on the settings you chose.

That is what happened. I don’t know what else to tell you. I explained how it happened in my original post so if you want to attempt to recreate that might be worth your time. Again, another assumption about something. It seems like you think that your plugin has no faults, which means it mostly likely does but you personally just haven’t found them, I on the other hand did.

I don’t want to sound mean, but you obviously made mistakes.If you recognize it, you will learn a lot new things in Lightroom (and the Publish Services) and WordPress, realize that my plugin works fine and enhance your general workflow a lot.

Lol… make mistakes… yeah, I guess you could say that I made mistakes, that’s kind of what testing is. You have a theory, test it, it doesn’t work. That could be considered a mistake, sure.

But there is no syncing based on the filename because technically that’s impossible (not impossible but that wouldn’t work well, especially if I need to make it work for everyone).

What I meant was when in Lightroom performing “Total Synchronization”, it doesn’t consider filename. That to me from a logical standpoint does not make any sense.

But you should avoid bashing the plugin officially with a bad review because the developer was sleeping, I am not sure it is a good thing to do. Or warn that the plugin is dangerous while it’s not. If it was, it would have been already said before in the reviews or in the support threads.

“Dangerous”, really? again, you’re being a bit dramatic here.

I’m sure you will argue what I’m about to write but at least think about it.

You said I made mistakes. Well, If I did make mistakes thankfully it was on a test site, right? I mean, what if someone makes the same mistakes on their live site. What then? Because what happened when I tested WP/LR Sync would have totally wrecked my media library.

Yeah, the original files would most likely still be there, somewhere, but I would need to sort through all of my media files, trash the bad ones, which most likely I would make more mistakes and accidentally trash good ones, then I’d have to regenerate all new “thumbnails”, and hopefully that process goes well… Oh then, since I have a professional site, I should check my posts and pages to make sure those didn’t get messed up. Hopefully I don’t have any other finicky media plugins, those might be acting weird now. And the file structure, how did I arrange my media files again. Man all those folders by dates… gesh!!! what a mess. Oh and I still have a business do run. Looks like I saved a ton of time using WP/LR Sync.

While there was drama in the above paragraph, It’s actually accurate. That’s exactly what would’ve happened if I installed WP/LR Sync on a live site Cowboy style, which is what most people do. That could ruin someones lively hood.

Last, I want to help you. I always want to help my users.

Glad to hear, the reason I wrote the review was to help your potential customers and you, good to know that we both want similar things.

Since you mentioned it, here’s how you can help, and it’s not just helping me but all your current and future customer, and the cool thing is, you’ll also be helping yourself and your business, it’s pretty simple and should take you no more time than it took me to figure out / test your plugin.

Create proper documentation on how to use your plugin. Spell everything out in steps, add screen captures and create a couple screencasts doing a walk through of the process of all of the WP/LR Sync features, how to set it up, what the plugin is intended to do what it will not do. Lastly, I’d suggest that you warn users that they should backup their database and WordPress install before using WP/LR Sync. Seriously, because no theme, no plugin is flawless.

What do you think?

Personally, I know I would’ve had a completely different experience with your product If I had those basic things that most professional developers create as part of their product/ customer onboarding experience.

Let me know If I can help any further.

Best,
CMW

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