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This issue is resloved.
To do what i asked above, you must change the SKU – and the product MUST HAVE A SKU (in my case, some products didnt have a skew, so it would not move). the lower the SKU number, the lower it will be positioned on the page.

yes, once im on the products categories page, i click the number of products beside it, then it takes me to the prodcuts in that category.

From here i can “drap and drop” the items around the screen. Once i do this, and i rerefresh my other browser window, the products stay in the same position (they dont move).

I’ve tried to “quick edit” and changed the “order” number and also changed the “SKU” number but when i refresh the other page, the products still dont move.

If i just “edit” the product, i found under the “attributes” tab, “menu order” … when i change it and update, the positon of the product still doesnt move.

thanks for continueing help.

Here is what my products page looks like, i can move then around, but it has no effect:
https://s23.postimg.org/vz2p1aniz/help.jpg

does anyone have any suggestions? thank.

thank you