• Resolved frenchomatic

    (@frenchomatic)


    WCAG 2.0 level AA – A world of woes and perhaps interfering with the 1st amendment – web sites can also be considered as art or containing free expression. It certainly needs testing in court. Apart from that I put the genesis accessibility demo site through an accessibility checker – https://achecker.ca/checker/index.php – not good – 126 potential problems. Better than many but the reality is that accessibility should be considered as an aspiration and not as an absolute (not my words but W3 org) – non-absolutes make for very bad law when people try to use something like WCAG 2.0 level AA under ADA (accessibility act) to sue people.

    I am yet to find any web site out in the wild of any design worth that complies with WCAG 2.0 level AA . A bunch of rules clearly written by people that have never had a proper job or ever had to build a commercial product for a client. It is laughable because the U.S senate, the DOJ; Department of Health don’t have fully accessible web sites. They all have potential problems. To satisfy potential problems with many of the accessibility checkers you end up with nothing more than Big Black Letters on a white page and a few embedded images with alt text. In truth WCAG 2.0 is calling for adaptive design and not responsive design. We all know where that leads to… I thought that argument had been killed off long ago.

    Forget your humble icons using <i class=” … as background images although you can cheat and put them in a span and the checker merrily gives you a tick. What a mess WCAG 2.0 really is for commercial projects – next they will be telling me I must write less than 30 sentences on a page and the reading level should be set at no more than 12 years old ) – there is a word for that an it is call fascism.

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  • Thread Starter frenchomatic

    (@frenchomatic)

    What I am really trying to say is that accessibility is a worthy endeavor but how a project gets put together from an economic point of view and checked from a legal standpoint is where any robust set of standards begins. Today, putting a small business web site together may be a few hundred dollars but if you drive up the cost to several thousand and there is no automated checking which is 100% reliable and legally accepted, then WCAG 2.0 is a recipe for chaos.

    Plugin Author Rian Rietveld

    (@rianrietveld)

    Hi @frenchomatic,

    Thank you for your feedback.

    I agree with you that a WCAG 2 AA valid site is very hard, but I know quite a lot of sites that validate well.

    A few questions:
    What was the genesis accessibility demo site you tested?
    was that genesis-accessible.org?

    Did you analyse if the errors make sense? Because a colour contrast fail on screen-reader-text and background is not really an issue.

    Kind regards,
    Rian Rietveld

    Thread Starter frenchomatic

    (@frenchomatic)

    I wish to be really clear because the subject can become emotive. I am fully in favor of developing standards and indeed providing tools and services which make life easier for people with disabilities. For example, a council office without a ramp or lift for wheel chairs is a disgrace. However, there has to be reason when law or standards start applying to graphic design or what many consider is art. We would not tell Picasso that he should paint like Monet or that he needed to use a different color palette.

    Validate well in legal terms is not the same as conforms to the law. That is the nub of the whole issue. I have all my sites with 0 known problems, O likely problems but multiple potential problems.

    I have found sites that validate up to a point but those without hundreds of potential problems (using an autochecker) or ones that would come anywhere close to satisfying most of my types of client, are far and few between. The issue I wish to highlight is two fold:

    1. Legal battles should WCAG 2.0 and section 508 become a matter of law for web sites in the U.S. At present I just can’t see small design agencies or independent designers taking the risk of saying a web site conforms – albeit unless it is very basic and using a bog standard theme. Basically, many of the marketing type graphics will have to be removed and web sites will start to look bland and very much the same. That reduces a key business imperative which is differentiation. Nice features like using text on parallax images will become a nightmare to validate and contentious as to whether it is decoration or not.

    2. Cost – whilst automatic checkers can give a good idea of the known and likely problems, even potential problems; the idea that a small design agency has access to a human audit of people with disabilities or a client wishes to pay for a human audit is of real concern. W3C must be bonkers. Whenever there is a human audit of anything it generates points of argument that can be exploited by lawyers.

    Yes – https://genesis-accessible.org

    This site may end up validating with some further work but frankly- it is minimalism for blogging. Some love it and some think it is a boring design. It is not going to fit the brief of say a dentist in the United States or similar type client.

    I would be really interested to see some good top notch web sites which are accessible WCAG 2.0 level AA at least equivalent to what prevails today in the wild. Ones that pass 0 known, 0 likely and 0 potential. In other words they conform and are likely to considered under the law as compliant.

    Could you please give some examples?

    For me WCAG 2.0 is ill thought out and focusses only on utility – the art is gone and the web will be poorer for it. One person with a disability says they can comprehend and fully see the site and another with the same disability says they can’t. It doesn’t seem well thought out.

    As a person with no accessibility problems, I look at some web sites and I can’t make head or tail of them. However, they simply don’t get my time or money.

    Plugin Author Gary Jones

    (@garyj)

    @frenchomatic,

    While you clearly feel passionate about the points that you’ve raised, I don’t see how these directly relate to the code in this plugin.

    May I kindly suggest that you write your general WCAG observations and thoughts in a blog post on your own site? It would be a more appropriate location than this support topic.

    Thread Starter frenchomatic

    (@frenchomatic)

    Sure – please feel free to delete my posts. I will start up a new topic. It does however impact the plugin in the sense that conformity could become a major issue.

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