Using AO, WP Fastest Cache, and Cloudflare.

well, typically I would advice to disable all CSS & JS & HTML optimization options in WPFC (and Cloudflare), having WPFC do page caching and AO doing the asset optimization (and Cloudflare the CDN part)?

hope this helps,
frank

Well this is certainly odd. Splitting it as you described didn’t do anything, but when I use WPFC to do all caching and css/jss optimization, leaving html optimization and image optimization to AO, my pagespeed insights performance score went from a consistent 50 to a consistent 88. Oddly, my SEO score dropped from a consistent 94 to 83. Completely counterintuitive as I’d have thought AO would be the better choice. It must be how my theme interacts or something.

that indeed is odd, as (based on the HTML source of the homepage) WPFC simply combines but does not defer whereas by default AO does not aggregate CSS/ JS (it usually is not beneficial as HTTP/2 is more efficient) and does defer the JS to make it not render-blocking. CSS by default is not deferred, but when providing the “above the fold CSS” or by using “critical CSS” one can have both JS and CSS not render-blocking which should improve FCP (and LCP) .. It’s all a matter of configuration ??

That’s mostly over my head, but I am glad that at least I’m in the ball park that it seems odd. I’m going to try and figure out how to get it set up more as you say since I don’t want something to go sideways with performance down the road bc some wires cross. I’ll keep ya posted on my experiments (that way others who may be using the same 3 can benefit too).

Do you think it could be that when I first installed the AO theme, I didn’t know how to get a bunch of the stuff that goes in the custom fields of AO? Like 1) Java Script Options > Exclude Scripts, 2) CSS Options > Eliminate Render Blocking CSS (for this one I seem to remember using some fairly confusing tool to come up with the code to put in the block below), and > Exclude CSS from Autoptimize. . . Other than determining above the fold stuff for Eliminate Render blocking CSS, I think I got suggestions on this support site. My theme has been updated a number of times since I set it all up, so I am wondering if I need to change all of this?

For Java Script Options > Exclude Scripts, I had: jquery.js,s_sid,smowtion_size,sc_project,WAU_,wau_add,comment-form-quicktags,edToolbar,ch_client,seal.js

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For Exclude CSS from AO, I had: wp-content/cache/, wp-content/uploads/, admin-bar.min.css, dashicons.min.css

if your site (theme) changed signicantly, then indeed you would at least want to re-create the “above the fold CSS” and review all settings ??

I’m guessing it has just been normal updates as nothing has changed with how my website looks. I’ll leave it as-is for now. The technical stuff is far above my head so it’ll take a while to figure it out again, and it’s doing great the way it’s set currently.