Overriding Global & Post Type Settings

  • Resolved Julie

    (@habannah)


    9 years, 5 months ago

    Hi Jeff, I’ve got an issue I hope you can help me out with. I will try to explain this so it makes sense, please bear with me…

    Say I set up some rules in Global Plugins and individual post/page/post type settings for Post Type Plugins. Then, on individual posts and pages, I override these Global and Post Type settings as needed. That works great, no problems there.

    The issue is that when clicking the Override checkbox on a single post or page screen, the Global or Post Type settings are disabled, meaning that all plugins are therefore enabled, and I have to choose ALL plugins that I want disabled for the specific post. That is really contrary to what I expect, in that I should only have to change individual plugins specifically for that post or page — all other settings should remain unchanged.

    I’m not sure if that’s clear so here’s an example. Let’s say I use a Lightbox plugin, a Tabs and Accordions plugin, and an RSS Importer plugin. All are disabled in Global Plugins and in individual Post Type settings. Then, on a single post edit screen, clicking Override will show them all as enabled, even though my intention may only be to enable the Lightbox.

    It may not seem like such a big deal, but when using a large number of plugins, this can get very complicated. Not to mention that it’s easy to forget all the plugins and plugin groups which need to be disabled.

    Moreover, when adding a new plugin to the site, setting rules in Global Plugins or individual Post Type Plugins won’t affect posts which are already Overridden. So this means that if I add a new plugin later, I will manually have to go through all my posts and pages to change the Override settings.

    It might be a little helpful to provide a list of Overridden posts and pages, or perhaps add a column to the Post/Page list screen, but that would only be useful to people who only Override settings here and there… In my case, it wouldn’t help as all my posts/pages are Overridden.

    So, I’m hoping it would be possible for you to change the way the Override function works. Global and Post Type settings should be retained, with the Override just applying to individual plugin changes and not to the post/page’s plugins settings as a whole.

    I hope I’ve explained myself properly. Don’t hesitate to ask if you need clarification!

    Thanks for looking into this for me, Jeff ??

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  • Thread Starter Julie

    (@habannah)

    Hi Jeff, I hope you’re well.

    Just wanted to update this thread in case it’s useful to someone… The way I managed to resolve my issues is by totally reorganizing the way I use Plugin Organizer:

    –I created new groups based on plugin functions and only control the groups now, rather than individual plugins.

    –I found that turning plugins/groups off in the Global settings usually doesn’t work (the plugin gets turned off but then turning it on in Post Type settings doesn’t work). This method only works for 1 of my 50+ plugins. For all others, they must be active in Global settings, then turning them off in Post Type settings works.

    –Controlling plugins on individual posts and pages generally works well, except when a filter is created affecting children of a url. What I mean is that filters take precedence over individual page/post settings. So let’s say I have a page at mysite.com/page/, and a filter for mysite.com/page/ that affects children of this url — then the settings for the filter work on the page, not the settings for the page.

    The reason I’m trying to do this is that the children of the page are custom taxonomy archive pages, so I have to set up the filter like that. For me this is actually working out ok because I decided to use the plugins that I was trying to turn off, rather than rip my hair out trying to force them off ?? but it’s contrary to what most people would expect from this setup, I believe…

    Also related to controlling plugins on individual posts and pages, from my first message above:

    The issue is that when clicking the Override checkbox on a single post or page screen, the Global or Post Type settings are disabled, meaning that all plugins are therefore enabled, and I have to choose ALL plugins that I want disabled for the specific post.

    If plugins are set to off in Global Settings, then they are set to off in individual post/page settings when the Override checkbox is clicked. My issue stemmed from the fact that plugins are on in Global settings. But now with a groups-based setup, it’s definitely a lot easier to turn off groups named by function than to scroll through 50+ plugins to turn them off individually.

    –So now in future, if I add new plugins, I would need to add them to existing groups if I want to make sure these new plugins aren’t turned on automatically on posts/pages where Post Type settings are being Overridden. (If a new group is created, because I’ve found that plugins must be globally active, the new group would be active on any posts or pages that Override the Post Type settings).

    With this in mind, I evaluated which types of plugins I think I will need in future and created groups for them, which I set off in Global and Post Type plugins. Now when I add new plugins, I’ll be able to turn on their groups on specific pages and post types, as needed, without fear of affecting the whole site. Of course you need to know what you plan to do in the future to be able to set this up, but I guess this is where good business/site planning comes in, right ??

    –With this new approach, managing my plugins is a lot simpler. I’ve found that I don’t have to override that many pages any more, though I still have to override posts maybe a third of the time. Again from my first message:

    It might be a little helpful to provide a list of Overridden posts and pages, or perhaps add a column to the Post/Page list screen, but that would only be useful to people who only Override settings here and there… In my case, it wouldn’t help as all my posts/pages are Overridden.

    Something like this would now be very useful to me!

    –To conclude, I now understand why my initial approach didn’t work. I found the forum on your website, and in a thread there you explain that only Off settings are saved by the plugin for performance reasons. This makes total sense to me, and it forced me to rethink the way I use the plugin.

    I hope my notes will be helpful to others using this plugin. To be honest, I think some of this info needs to be in the FAQ… My offer to help out with a wiki site still stands ??

    Thanks for all your work on this amazing plugin, Jeff!

    Thanks @Niackery for the well documented issue and recommendations. I had the same issue and was about to ask for support before i found your post.

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