Having lots of troubles with formatting

<<<I have used Tidy Up

I just don’t get this. You publish TEXT, not a webpage written in HTML… so what on the erath are you doing with tidy?>>>

You are aware of the plugin Tidy Up? It is written for WP. It is used to check to make sure you don’t have errors in your posts (HTML).
Asking why I might be using it means that you are not fully understanding the breadth of the potential problem. It IS possible that I have or had cut and pasted formatting from another site, when I for example, might have quoted a site. This may or may not be the problem. It is also possible that an idiot like me goes back in, after reading my post, to edit, and then I see formatting disappear, just like the other gentleman is stating happens to him. So in order for this layman to “fix” it, perhaps I have inserted hard HTML code to make it happen,… maybe I have made a mistake in the past with that… not sure. But to answer your question, the reason you use things like Tidy Up is because you are not able to completely understand the source of the problem, and you are not able to get better answers from those who might know- like say, the folks who write the dang code and live in the world of code.

<<ckortman>>, you are right, and I don’t expect everyone on this site to know the answers, or to hold my hand and fix them. On the other hand, I don’t expect them to come back with my car after a test drive and say “I don’t hear the bump, so it must not be happening”… if you get my drift. Tell me my background image is too huge when I am dealing with a problem that prevents my site from even being read is kind like going to the Doctor, complaining about all of my insides not feeling right, and he says to me “You DO realize your shirt does not match your pants, don’t you???”

Losing a customer- painful to anyone here?… No, you are probably right. But I am not interested IN leaving, nor am I interested in arguing with people who don’t offer solutions but instead keep insisting the problem lies with you, figure it out.

<<AlisonMooreSm>>, what you described above is EXACTLY what happens to me when I try to fix the problem you describe. Post once, things are fine. Go back and edit, problems start to occur, and the text runs into a block without formatting for paragraphs. And from what I have read, this is not a “new” occurrence here at WP.

Now, Moshu’s response is basically “That is your problem, related to your computer or browser.” In the world of computers interfacing with programs, that is akin to saying “I don’t care.”

IMAGINE that I take the same approach with my problem, where when people who use Internet Explorer see the text field breaking format and flying off the side of the page/screen. “Your problem— it is your computer or browser.”

Pathetic.

The RIGHT response would be:
“That is concerning.
Do this for me- can you go and edit in Firefox, and see if it happens there? Let me know what happens there.”

That is directing energy at a “solution”. “Answers” are not always “solutions”.

<<<And as I said in my email: it is your computer/browser, not WP.>>>

No- the problem really is, WP is not working with those browsers or computers, as you put it. Since WP is in the business of writing software for computers and browsers, I would humbly suggest that the problem is theirs, not “ours”. I don’t expect anyone to have perfection, or to kiss my butt and hand me a simple solution, but I also don’t expect them to say to me “your problem, figure it out.”

Moshu said:
<<<Because the wysiwyg is NOT for using your own code (and you do not have to insert ever p tags – WP would do it for you if you just let it work in its own way.

If you want to handcode… turn off the wysiwyg. Period.>>>

I don’t WANT to handcode. I handcode when the formatting is lost on edits…

And since I have been forced to handcode, I fear I might have put HTML errors in my posts over the last couple of weeks. This would answer your other question:
“Why are you using Tidy Up?”

Honestly, had nothing ever gone wrong with WP, I never would have been IN the code, trying to FIX things, in the first place.

I repeat it again:
If your wysiwyg ediotr is turned ON – do not post anything else than plain text. Do not copy/paste. Period.

If you need/want to post HTML tags or need to copy/paste from other sources – TURN OFF the damn thing.

I don’t say it is not an issue.
I just offered a quick temporary solution but nobody is willing to read it. INstead of writing long rants – read the (temporary) solution offered. Apply it.

You don’t need any freaking tidy plugin if you don’t post garbage code. And just to make it clear: copy/pasting feom other websites into the wysiwyg, usually, equals with garbage code.

Allison- email me…
my screen name plus “wavecable (dot) com”

And, YOU, are a moderator? A Spokesman for WP?

You have NOT, and I will say it ONE more time, provided a SOLUTION to the problems that were posted by me and others. You have instead told us what NOT to do after the fact. Great. We know now not to do that.

You keep telling us how to NOT do something that is already done, and you have NOTHING to offer on how to undo it. This is kind of like talking to a free falling amateur parachutist about making sure that YOU inspect your OWN parachute prior to jumping from the plane.

The amazing thing is, it appears you have been involved with WP for over 3 years or so, and the best info I am getting is from LAYMEN like my damn self.
I will ask ONE MORE TIME. Do YOU, or anyone you know, have ANY flipping information on HOW to find a solution to the run off the side of the screen text on my SITE?

I will say one more time- I don’t expect people or what they make to be perfect. I do, however, expect a LOT better information that someone like you have given so far, if in fact you are a WP moderator and have been exposed to the code issues for so long.

If YOU don’t have any better information than to say “Just don’t do what you already DID!” then you are useless to me.

Ask some of your friends. Offer it up like this, just for future reference:

“I have seen this several times. Most often, it has to do with putting pasted text, or editing your own HTML. The best way to find out the source of the problems is “XXX xx xxx xxx xx “. Sometimes it is the theme. So, contact that person as well. I could be a plugin, so turn all of them off and test that too.
Let me know what you find out.”

Class over.

I just offered a quick temporary solution but nobody is willing to read it.

Excuse me? moshu, I have read everything you have said and, as you know, spent the past few hours reproducing the bug and going through the steps you directed.

BTW, what WAS your “quick, temporary solution”? I never did post ANY HTML code in the Visual tab, as I told you. I also did NOT paste any text into the field, as I also told you. The bug still occurs. So, I didn’t see a solution posted here (temporary or not). Did I miss it?

From what I can tell, the NEWER versions of WP have this problem in Safari and OmniWeb (and perhaps other browsers as well). The older versions do NOT have this loss of formatting. (The blog with NO problems is using WP 2.1.3.)

In other words, it IS a problem introduced by the newer versions of WP.

570thusaag, what brower(s) are you using?

The lack of WordPress support is astounding; absolutely jaw dropping. Alison, if your looking for a temp fix and can deal with the horse shit, use a text editor. Assuming your on a mac, use textedit.

Never, I repeat never even open WYSIWYG, leave your editor on code and cope/paste from the textedit, making damn sure your HTML tags are clean. From there you can save and then view on your page and it will retain it’s formatting.

At least for me it’s worked. This is so ridiculous though, I’m sick and tired of copy/pasting my posts, perhaps I’ll switch software. Does anyone have an e-mail or a way to contact WP developers or even support? This bug seems to be old and no one, including the lazy moderators on this forum, seem to be able to successfully fix it.

Alison, I wish you the best of luck.

nclester, I’d be happy to, but how do you force it to stay in Code mode? Mine defaults to wysiwyg. Is there a setting I missed?

BTW, moshu, I did all the test you suggested. It’s nearly 2:00 am. I posted a bug ticket for it per your request.

Alison, your must be ultra stoned if you think he’s going to take the time to look at it, and rest assured that if he does, he certainly isn’t the man to fix it.

Anyway, to answer your question, I too default to WYSIWYG <— so sick of writing that.

I write my posts in text edit, then before I paste I jump to WP to switch my editor over to code, I then paste, save and check. If it’s got a kink in it, guess what?

Yup, you got it. Go back to WP and edit out the problem, but make sure you delete the code as soon as you go back to edit, it will somehow get fucked up from then until you add the edited code.

Alison, if I understand you correctly, you can turn off using the visual editor for each user – it’s the first check box “Use the visual editor when writing” at the very top of the “Edit User” screen.

Alison- you can switch off the visual editor on your profile. Go to the dashboard, click on the top right where it says “Sign out, Profile” and then click the box to turn off the visual editor.

And the operating system I use is Safari. I check my stuff then in Firefox and IE.

Did this issue ever get resolved?

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<p>It seems to be cutting text in half when i scroll down. Every line of text would be sliced in half.

<p> It seems like this problem only occurs in internet explorer six. I have tried fire fox and opera and they both seem fine but internet explorer is the only software that causes the problem. Is there anyway i can eliminate the problem.</p>