Confusion about Trackbacks in 1.5

There were some problems with trackbacks in WordPress 1.5. Upgrading to WordPress 1.5.1.2 should fix most of the trouble.

The trackback URL from post b should be entered in the box labled as such in your write post page. Separate multiple URLS with a space.

I just downloaded a WordPress update, but the readme file says Version 1.5.1. Is this really the 1.5.1.2 I need?

I should not have to copy a Trackback URI from the blog I want to Trackback TO. MY other two blog apps do not require this (Movable Type and dotText/Community Server). Typepad, which uses the MT engine is also like this. All I have to do is link to a permalink, and the trackback enabled blog is automatically pinged and trackbacks are received on Trackback capable blogs. Until WordPress implements this functionality, it will not be a “compatible” Trackback implementation that works as it was intended. The simple act of linking to a post of mine should be sufficient for a wordpress user to “trackback” to one of my posts, or viceversa for a post of mine in wordpress blog to someone else blogging on Movable Type.

To implement this differently is to handicap the widespread usage of trackbacks, which is a shame, since I love the idea of “distributed conversations” that Trackbacks could enable.

I would suggest to the WP development team that they seek an “Movable Type” style inplementation, siunce they seem to the the ones who invented it.

With the latest version of Movable Type implementing Trackback moderation and spam filtering, there is a renewed hope for the success of trackbacks, but WordPress is lagging behind on this, IMO.

Until then, my WordPress blog will be only an experiment, and will never become my main blog. I have an interest in WordPress becoming as useful as Movable Type, becuase there is the added attraction of an easier path to customization, since I already can do some PHP, and could not do the same with PERL, a nd don’t have enough control over Perl installations on my host, but PHP is available so I can do more extensive customization.

I hope these preferences can be taken into account as Trackbacks are considered further down the dev cycle.

Maybe a “plugin” somewhere could help turn the present TB’s into MT-compatible style TRackbacks?

Dale

I would suggest to the WP development team that they seek an “Movable Type” style inplementation, siunce they seem to the the ones who invented it.

I would suggest you understand the difference between trackbacks and pingbacks.

Your basic premise is out to lunch. Yes MT and Typepad has a function to link from your blog post to another outside blog post if yours contains the URL of the outside blog post.

BUT As you describe it that is a pingback not a trackback. WP has both, both functions work just fine.

Here educate yourself before you make wild and unrequired requests of the WP developers.

Well, isn’t that special?

The fact is, this is what Movable Type calls them, and this is how everybody uses them. What I’m looking for is what I described, WHATEVER YOU want to call them. WILD? Just look at Movable Type, Typepad, and Community Server blogs, and thery all work just fine together, and they ALL have this feature.

WordPress does NOT send “pingbacks” or receive them TO or FROM movable type OR Community Server, and hasn’t for over a year now, and I’ve trid at least a dozen versions.

Okay, so I want a pingback! Those DO NOT work out of the box. Sorry. I have also gone through at least half dozen versions of MT and dotText/Community Server, and “PIngbacks” have always worked (even though THEY call them Trackbacks)

So READ my request and quit picking on TERMINOLOGY, which I tend to want to use as MOST bloggers do, smart guy.

UNrequired? I simply just won’t use it. That’s MY “requirement”, and judging by the number of peoplew who ask about it on these formums over the past year, it SEEMS like a fairly siginificant interest.

BTW, the “education” you lionked to says this:

Pingbacks do not send any content.

That’s NOT what MOvable Type or dotTextCommunity Server do. They DO send a portion of the content, so it actually ISN”T a pingback by that definition, so maybe YOU’RE Also a bit off. How ’bout that, we were both “inprecise”.

The point is not to correct people’s terminology, but to try to find solutions to needs/preferences. I fully described what I was looking for. A simple “hey BTW, this is actually pingback according to ——“, even though it’s really not exactly that, according to that documentation.

Also, it seems that b2evolution blogs also work as MOvable Type , and all the others, sending a portion of the ori ginal poster’s message that links to the permalink on my blog…..got this one just a couple days ago……….what’s the big “special” deal about wanting some “compatibility” and “conistency” across “That feature that MOST blogs refer to as trackback” (as opposed to just calling them “trackbacks that are really pingbacks”

Well isn’t that special!

NEWSFLASH My first blogs were on MT (over two years worth), I’m fully cognizant of what they are and can do. I have been on WP since ver 1.2 and fully understand what it does and is capable of doing.

Pingbacks and trackbacks have, on occasion, been a problem with WP on a minority of installs and very far from all. That has been fixed with the lastest version.

I have never had a single problem sending or receiving pings or tracks from MT blogs, or Expression Engine for that matter, period. And BTW the pings I send out (test only I think they are a waste of bandwidth) do include an exerpt, so sue the codex people they have it wrong.

End of story.

heheheheh.
Seems that everything I have read about blogging.. whether about trackbacks on c|net, from anyother blogging site, or even in blogging books (so its nto jsut WP specific) defined trackbacks and pingbacks all the same..

I can’t understand why MT cwould up and change the definations…

But, that’s my 2 cents

And just so I can pile on:

Here is how “great” MT’s TypePad trackback system works, or rather doesn’t work!

Just take a look at comments in WP forums here about trackbacks, pingbacks, etc. There IS the expectation that Trackbacks (whether subsumed under Pingbacks, or including them, or whatever else you want to say about the definition of them) will Ntofify any other Trackback enabled Blog. THat was my experience before trying out WordPress.

It is frustrating to me to have to consciously/manually add a trackback link…I simply want them to know, if they can receive such, that I have linked to them. To require a manual, intentional extra bit of clicks to do this is to decrease the usage of that feature.

I have just read through a whole bunch of posts in this forum that came back when I searched on “MT, Trackback, Pingback”, and there are numerous people asking the same questions.

It does not good to ignore a siginificant customer base (or “potential custoimer base”) by insisting that the world is wrong and to heck with them if they can’t use “common sense” and see it the way I do. The people interested in Trackbacks ARE for the large part ones who have seen the MT implementation.

I’m for a “MT-style Trackback/Pingback” plugin for WordPress, so that it can display what MT calls Trackbacks as a separate link just as MT does, and can be included in the template as a WordPress/PHP function to implement that feature, and also attach to the Craete a Post page so that it sends out the proper style of “pingback/trackback”

“It is frustrating to me to have to consciously/manually add a trackback link…I simply want them to know, if they can receive such, that I have linked to them. “

See, I am not sure why that is… If I post a reference to someone elses post that has that enabled.. when my psot is published, it automatically pings them (and if they have comments enabled, it adds that to their comments that I have made reference to it) without even having to add manually to send a trackback to them. And, if I come back and edit the post, it tells me already pinged them.

Maybe that is why I am having a hard time udnerstanding this. It soulds like what you are trying to do is alrady done when I do it.

So please.. let me know where I am missing something.

That’s what I’d like to know…..thus far, I have gotten no suggestions as to where this might be set…..I am searching for whatever settings you have….whatever it is that handles this……

I ahve not done anything special with pingbackas and trackbacks settings… I just noticed it worked when I put up a list of plugins I used on the site and later saw that it had posted a snip from the page on some of the plugin makers sites.

I do know one thing that might affect it… the only thing that I can think of is I am actually putting a link to that page on my post.

Take fore example.. I have 2 sites using WP. https://www.aleeya.net and https://www.girlgeekette.net

on Aleeya dotNet, I made this post:
https://www.aleeya.net/2005/09/22/security-cheat-sheet/

Stating that the cheatsheet that was formerly on that site could now bew found on the girlgeekette dotnet site and I provided a link ( https://www.girlgeekette.net/2005/09/06/comp-tias-securitycheet-sheet/ )on the post to that page. I did not enter a trackback url or anything

When I noticed I had a comment on the GirlGeekette dotnet Site, I took a look at it .

On it, it said
“pingback from Security+ Cheat Sheet ?? Aleeya dotNet
September 27th, 2005 at 2:38 am
[a€|] The Security+ Cheat Sheet that was posted on the original Aleeya.net can now be found at Aleeyaa€?s Security+ Cheat Sheet at GirlGeekette dotNet [a€|] “

Could it be that I am using a url in the post that maks it auto track? It does the same with other site, not jsut between my two.