Come on guys you started helping and never gave me the important bit

There is no need to double post. This issue is still live in your original post. 14 hours is not a long pause.

You are really not helping yourself in 3 ways. One: the technical guys here are not interested in all your community drama. Two: You are not listening. And Three: you do not seem to understand how WP works at all and yet you are trying something way outside your comfort zone.
Your persistent use of the word *pages* is rendering all your dialogue virtually incomprehensible.

well i still need to understand how the page.php thing affects this. i was asked if we had the page.php went and looked and found we do. so how does that affect the posts and which page they end up on?

or in which category.

Just so you know: I started typing in the solution to your problem, but then I read your opening post and thought – why am I trying to help this person?

We are all volunteers here and do our best to help one another. No one is paid. No one is expected to help. It runs on generosity and a willingness to assist.

Sorry, your post is rude, arrogant and does not warrant assistance. I for one, will not be helping you.

And if you ever come in here swearing your head off again, expect to be banned.

Kardworx is frustrated. A lot of folks trying to get WordPress and/or their blog running/upgraded are probably just as frustrated. I am frustrated. Those who try to help people like Kardworx and me are also frustrated. But why!?

I think it’s due to several things:

1. Not only are the frustrated folks brand new to WP, a lot of them are also new to blogs in general. They do have the codex and others on this forum to help them, but the codex, while a good start and while containing a lot of info, appears to be often outdated by the flow of new versions of WP, of mySQL, and of phpMyAdmin.

2. A lot of information exists to help new bloggers. Truth be told, so much information exists that new bloggers can easily be overwhelmed. I am not aware of any books on WordPress that can be bought and studied, and if any did exist, they would be outdated by the time they came off the presses.

3. Many hosts offer free installation and setup of WP and other applets but no support for WP and the other applets. I can’t blame them. But host customer support should be well-versed on how those applets integrate with their other software, and should be able to offer more than “did you try reinstalling WP?” or “is your wp-config correctly set up?”

I became so frustrated with Yahoo that I signed up with Bluehost. BH customer support is, IMO, much better than that from Yahoo, but still, not every customer support tech there can be a software systems integration engineer.

4. Often those who offer their time, experience, and knowledge on forums such as this one become so tired of seeing the same old questions over and over and over again that their replies are sometimes a bit short. OTOH, sometimes responders also become so frustrated that the frustration can be read between the lines of their replies. Sometimes those who ask beginner’s-type questions are outright chastised for starting such posts.

Sorta like going to a store and upon asking a clerk if he has Brand-X somewhere, and being told to “go look for it yourself”.

5. I realize that many forums have search capabilities, but when newbies start threads, they often do not know the correct terminology to use to describe their problems. The terms “page” and “Page” confusion comes to mind. If somebody doesn’t know the right search term, it is a crapshoot whether he will find a helpful post.

6. Hosts make it easy for people to believe that starting and maintaining a blog is a matter of 1-2-3. “Just sign up, load our free site-manager/ftp-application/c-panel/blog-manager etc. and begin enjoying your blog,” they claim. Right. Just like that. Like the salesmen tell prospective customers. “With these tools and this book of plans and how-to, you too can build a great house/airplane/boat/whatever!” So the poor boob buys a truckload of professional tools, dumps them on the garage floor, looks at the plans, reads the how-to, and then wonders where the heck to start. ??

Anyway, I can see valid reasons for the frustration on both sides. Guess it’s just something we need to work on. I too am a beginner with blogs and WordPress and have spent days trying to get my blog into a stable state upon which I can build, upgrade as new stuff becomes available, etc.

It’s like waterskiing. Once you’re up, its great! Never before during the last 25 years of learning and using PC and Mac software for technical writing, illustration, layout, and commercial publishing have I shed so many tears as I have trying to come up to speed with my blog.

It’s nobody’s fault. Not the software developer’s, the host customer support people’s, not Joe Blogstarter, and not Joe Expert. It’s just the way it is. A never-ending roller-coaster ride. And it will continue to be that way until computer and software evolution ceases.

That’s a nice post, but it misses the reality on a couple of pretty substantial points.

Sorta like going to a store and upon asking a clerk if he has Brand-X somewhere, and being told to “go look for it yourself”.

Though they might try to tell you otherwise, store clerks are paid to be there, and paid to take your crap and hold your hand. The members of this forum are not.

Help is MUCH more forthcoming here than in the majority of other volunteer-based support outlets on the internet, but it does take a certain amount of patience if you wish to get help for free.

If NOW!! is more important than free, then there are any number of people you can pay to do the job for you, and listen to all your frustration.

Quite often the people who help here don’t even get a ‘thank you’ in return for their effort… offer them $20 and watch how much less frustrated they become.

A lot of valid points… although I really don’t need $20 to get “less frustrated” ??

One of the biggest traps with WP (and a lot of other ‘one-click-install’ gizmos) is the fact that the installation is really 5 minutes – or less – and very easy.
This creates the false expectation that customizing your WP blog should be as easy as the install.
Well, it isn’t. Customizing requires at least a basic working knowledge of HTML and CSS, and if you want even more special displays than you better get prepared to learn some basic PHP, too.
All these, of course, on top of completely understanding how the theme system, the template tags and certain WP features work together.

But when you have a newbie that has no clue what a domain, a host or a ftp client is, not to mention html tags and css declarations… it is difficult to provide “technical support”. Add to this mix the so common feel of entitlement for “instant gratification” and arrogant demands – and you will understand why the patience of so many helpers is getting short.

I’ll take your $20 ??

The other issue is the medium. It’s hard enough to explain some of these concepts when you have pen and paper, and hand gestures… doing it in text alone is almost impossible when one party has no starting point.

It’s even tougher when you need to cross language barriers (and I don’t just mean regionally, I mean the word “page” can mean 5 different things in a conversation about wordpress so you need to be very specific.)

Just my 2 cents on behalf of the forum volunteers. There is also – often a huge disconnect between the skill level of the OP and the ambition of what is being attempted. We all learn as we go along but sometimes starting with the simple stuff is good. Those types of q are very difficult to deal with effectively.

I wholeheartedly agree with all of you guys’ points and I hope that someday I’ll know enough about WP to give something useful back to the forum.